Bug#684128: false advertising
Le mardi, 7 août 2012 22.46:03, Roger Lynn a écrit : This has caught me out in the past. When it says gigabyte I expect 2^30 bytes. Hopefully this time when I do an installation I will remember to get a calculator out. The people who don't care are mostly those who don't know what a gigabyte is. (FTR, that's near to be insulting in my standards…) I know what giga- and gibi-bytes are, but I still don't care right now; we are actually trying to get Wheezy out and there are other priorities (such as 572 Release-Critical bugs) than this type of problem. That said, I don't think anyone is trying to avoid a proper resolution of this bug. So the people who care mostly (and know what a gibibyte is) should start working on patches if they really want to get this fixed; this work will not come magically out of the blue. Cheers, OdyX -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#684128: false advertising
On 08/08/12 07:20, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le mardi, 7 août 2012 22.46:03, Roger Lynn a écrit : This has caught me out in the past. When it says gigabyte I expect 2^30 bytes. Hopefully this time when I do an installation I will remember to get a calculator out. The people who don't care are mostly those who don't know what a gigabyte is. (FTR, that's near to be insulting in my standards…) I'm sorry, that was over the top. I know what giga- and gibi-bytes are, but I still don't care right now; we are actually trying to get Wheezy out and there are other priorities (such as 572 Release-Critical bugs) than this type of problem. Absolutely agreed. I wouldn't hope to see this fixed for Wheezy - even just changing the wording of the text requires an enormous amount of work at this stage - it's just frustrating to see it apparently being dismissed out of hand as not being a problem. Thanks, Roger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#684128: false advertising
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:40:11 +0100 Roger Lynn ro...@rilynn.me.uk wrote: Absolutely agreed. I wouldn't hope to see this fixed for Wheezy - even just changing the wording of the text requires an enormous amount of work at this stage - it's just frustrating to see it apparently being dismissed out of hand as not being a problem. Please have a look at IEC 60027-2 (or Wikipedia) to make clear that the wording is absolutely correct. So if anybody wants to change the units of measurement, a change to the wording _and_ the code is required. cu Herbert -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#684128: false advertising
On 08/08/2012 09:19, Herbert Kaminski wrote: Please have a look at IEC 60027-2 (or Wikipedia) to make clear that the wording is absolutely correct. So if anybody wants to change the units of measurement, a change to the wording _and_ the code is required. I don't think anyone has suggested that the wording is wrong, just not what is expected by many users. (Not that I agree with those standards, but that's irrelevant.) Roger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#684128: false advertising
Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'important' So if the partitioner invites people to specify their swap space, or any other volume, in units of gigabytes, which JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY understands to mean 2^30 in that context, and instead it uses the hard disk manufacturers' phony units which are seven percent smaller, WITHOUT EVEN TELLING YOU THIS, and you only find out when the installation is complete, and nothing can be done about it except starting all over again, then this isn't a real bug, but just wishlist? Thanks for clearing that up. quote from ls(1) man page: --block-size=SIZE scale sizes by SIZE before printing them. E.g., `--block-size=M' prints sizes in units of 1,048,576 bytes. See SIZE format below. quote from df(1) man page: -B, --block-size=SIZE scale sizes by SIZE before printing them. E.g., `-BM' prints sizes in units of 1,048,576 bytes. See SIZE format below. quote from du(1) man page: -B, --block-size=SIZE scale sizes by SIZE before printing them. E.g., `-BM' prints sizes in units of 1,048,576 bytes. See SIZE format below. [for all of the above, K=1024, M=1024^2, G=1024^3, T=1024^4] quote from lvcreate(8) man page: -L, --size LogicalVolumeSize[bBsSkKmMgGtTpPeE] Gives the size to allocate for the new logical volume. A size suffix of K for kilobytes, M for megabytes, G for gigabytes, T for terabytes, P for petabytes or E for exabytes is optional. Default unit is megabytes. [here it is considered so obvious that binary units are intended that they don't even bother to mention it] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#684128: false advertising
Quoting ian_br...@fastmail.net (ian_br...@fastmail.net): Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'important' So if the partitioner invites people to specify their swap space, or any other volume, in units of gigabytes, which JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY understands to mean 2^30 in that context, and instead it uses the hard I think you probably have a strange definition of just about everybody. In reality, I think that just about nobody cares about gigabytes being 2^30, or 10. This is basically splitting hairs, which wishlist perfectly fits. disk manufacturers' phony units which are seven percent smaller, WITHOUT EVEN TELLING YOU THIS, and you only find out when the installation is complete, and nothing can be done about it except starting all over again, then this isn't a real bug, but just wishlist? Yes. Please don't shout. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#684128: false advertising
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:11:05 +0200 Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org wrote: So if the partitioner invites people to specify their swap space, or any other volume, in units of gigabytes, which JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY understands to mean 2^30 in that context, and instead it uses the hard disk manufacturers' phony units which are seven percent smaller, WITHOUT EVEN TELLING YOU THIS, I think you probably have a strange definition of just about everybody. In reality, I think that just about nobody cares about gigabytes being 2^30, or 10. This is basically splitting hairs, which wishlist perfectly fits. $ bc scale=6 ; (2^40) / (10^12) 1.099511 The difference between a binary and decimal terabyte is ten percent, or one hundred gigabytes. I would have thought that a lot of people would care about that, but maybe I'm just strange. $ bc scale=6 ; (2^30) / (10^9) 1.073741 $ bc scale=6 ; (2^20) / (10^6) 1.048576 Clearly the hard disk manufacturers care about differences of even five and seven percent, or they wouldn't have been deliberately ripping people off for decades. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#Legal_disputes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#684128: false advertising
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:11:05 +0200, Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org wrote: I think you probably have a strange definition of just about everybody. In reality, I think that just about nobody cares about gigabytes being 2^30, or 10. This is basically splitting hairs, which wishlist perfectly fits. This has caught me out in the past. When it says gigabyte I expect 2^30 bytes. Hopefully this time when I do an installation I will remember to get a calculator out. The people who don't care are mostly those who don't know what a gigabyte is. Roger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
