Bug#721763: [brltty] Idea to get id for free
Le 24 oct. 2013 23:31, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org a écrit : bastien ROUCARIES, le Thu 24 Oct 2013 21:51:10 +, a écrit : May be we could ask openmoko to get usb/vid/pid for braille stuff ? see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs Sure, but the problem is not the possibility of asking; it is convincing the *manufacturers* that they should do it and record the obtained ID in their devices. Samuel Fdti and the other one in this thread accept to be reflashed for pid/vid only. So let reserve a few id on openmoko and ask your user to reflash. Brltty could be slipt in two package Brltty that will get support for only well behaved driver and brltty-cruft for the conflict id stuff. Debian-install will use both so we will not loose stability but during install you will be ask to reflash bad behaved serial converter. Brltty-cruft will not be enable by default except if answer use it during install. Bastien
Bug#721763: [brltty] Idea to get id for free
Bastien ROUCARIES, le Fri 25 Oct 2013 08:55:48 +0200, a écrit : Fdti and the other one in this thread accept to be reflashed for pid/vid only. So let reserve a few id on openmoko and ask your user to reflash. I don't think a user will dare to reflash his braille device. Those cost thousands of dollars and are typically the only way their owners would be able to use a computer. Brltty could be slipt in two package Brltty that will get support for only well behaved driver and brltty-cruft for the conflict id stuff. That could still be an idea worth considering. Brltty-cruft will not be enable by default except if answer use it during install. Well, that is *already* what is supposed to happen. I'm not aware of any other way brltty would end up being installed on a Debian system without the user explicitly requesting it. (except when starting from an Ubuntu system, but we can't really control that). Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#721763: [brltty] Idea to get id for free
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote: Bastien ROUCARIES, le Fri 25 Oct 2013 08:55:48 +0200, a écrit : Fdti and the other one in this thread accept to be reflashed for pid/vid only. So let reserve a few id on openmoko and ask your user to reflash. I don't think a user will dare to reflash his braille device. Those cost thousands of dollars and are typically the only way their owners would be able to use a computer. Changind vid/pid of usb adaptater is ultra low risk. You could always do it in reverse. And if manufacturer but the usb logo on their product it is violation of FTDI usb forum trademark so we could prod the manufactuer. Brltty could be slipt in two package Brltty that will get support for only well behaved driver and brltty-cruft for the conflict id stuff. That could still be an idea worth considering. Brltty-cruft will not be enable by default except if answer use it during install. Well, that is *already* what is supposed to happen. I'm not aware of any other way brltty would end up being installed on a Debian system without the user explicitly requesting it. (except when starting from an Ubuntu system, but we can't really control that). Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#721763: [brltty] Idea to get id for free
Bastien ROUCARIES, le Fri 25 Oct 2013 15:43:17 +0200, a écrit : On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote: Bastien ROUCARIES, le Fri 25 Oct 2013 08:55:48 +0200, a écrit : Fdti and the other one in this thread accept to be reflashed for pid/vid only. So let reserve a few id on openmoko and ask your user to reflash. I don't think a user will dare to reflash his braille device. Those cost thousands of dollars and are typically the only way their owners would be able to use a computer. Changind vid/pid of usb adaptater is ultra low risk. Does one need specific hardware for that? Also, it means windows screen readers won't recognize the hardware any more. You could always do it in reverse. So windows screen readers could work again. That however means having to do the operation each time. And if manufacturer but the usb logo on their product it is violation of FTDI usb forum trademark so we could prod the manufactuer. Users are mostly dependent on their manufacturer, not really the converse :/ Actually, I don't think manufacturers care a lot about being allowed to put the USB logo on their product, it is mostly unreadable for blind people anyway. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#721763: [brltty] Idea to get id for free
Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote: Bastien ROUCARIES, le Fri 25 Oct 2013 08:55:48 +0200, a écrit : Fdti and the other one in this thread accept to be reflashed for pid/vid only. So let reserve a few id on openmoko and ask your user to reflash. I don't think a user will dare to reflash his braille device. Those cost thousands of dollars and are typically the only way their owners would be able to use a computer. Changind vid/pid of usb adaptater is ultra low risk. You could always do it in reverse. And if manufacturer but the usb logo on their product it is violation of FTDI usb forum trademark so we could prod the manufactuer. Reflashing will break compatibility with drivers on other platforms, which is likely another reason why a user will not want to do this. -- CYa, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ | Debian Developer URL:http://debian.org/ .''`. | Get my public key via finger mlang/k...@db.debian.org : :' : | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 `. `' `- URL:http://delysid.org/ URL:http://www.staff.tugraz.at/mlang/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#721763: [brltty] Idea to get id for free
Package: brltty May be we could ask openmoko to get usb/vid/pid for braille stuff ? see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs Even if it is not really free hardware it could help debian so why not asking -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#721763: [brltty] Idea to get id for free
bastien ROUCARIES, le Thu 24 Oct 2013 21:51:10 +, a écrit : May be we could ask openmoko to get usb/vid/pid for braille stuff ? see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs Sure, but the problem is not the possibility of asking; it is convincing the *manufacturers* that they should do it and record the obtained ID in their devices. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
