On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:42:07 -0500 Sam Hartman wrote:
> I don't think this matters for the vote, and apologies because there's
> probably a better place to send this advice. I was thinking last night
> about the apt and debootstrap resolver issues and was wondering whether
> the following soluti
On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 11:49:45 + Ian Jackson
wrote:
> Ian Jackson writes ("Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
> proposal"):
> > So, I hereby formally propose the resolution text below. I intend to
> > call for votes some time tomorrow.
>
>
I don't think this matters for the vote, and apologies because there's
probably a better place to send this advice. I was thinking last night
about the apt and debootstrap resolver issues and was wondering whether
the following solution might help.
I realize the issue is minor and is more about
Ian Jackson writes ("Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal"):
> So, I hereby formally propose the resolution text below. I intend to
> call for votes some time tomorrow.
Thanks again to Josh for all his careful and constructive
interventions in the discussi
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal"):
> I hereby call for votes. There are two options:
> Y (override, swap dependencies, requires >>3:1)
> FD
I vote
Y, FD
Ian.
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 17:54:53 + Ian Jackson
wrote:
> I've been reading the messages from Josh about cgmanager etc., and
[snip]
Actually, I'd like to completely withdraw my concerns there, in light of
some new information.
Quoting Serge Hallyn, maintainer of cgmanager:
> Currently the cgmanage
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> "josh" == josh writes:
>
> josh> I wouldn't necessarily suggest using this as an argument
> josh> against the proposed resolution. Instead, I'd recommend
> josh> making sure that cgmanager is just as harmless under systemd
>
> "josh" == josh writes:
josh> I wouldn't necessarily suggest using this as an argument
josh> against the proposed resolution. Instead, I'd recommend
josh> making sure that cgmanager is just as harmless under systemd
josh> as systemd-shim 8-4 currently is, by making it not r
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 08:17:52PM +0100, Christian Seiler wrote:
> Am 04.11.2014 17:07, schrieb Josh Triplett:
> > This isn't a complete showstopper, since most of the time people seem to
> > debootstrap a standard system and then install additional packages.
> > However, it would affect a deboots
Am 04.11.2014 17:07, schrieb Josh Triplett:
> This isn't a complete showstopper, since most of the time people seem to
> debootstrap a standard system and then install additional packages.
> However, it would affect a debootstrap with --include=task-desktop or
> --include=gnome or similar.
Just as
I've been reading the messages from Josh about cgmanager etc., and
they haven't changed my mind about the need to flip these
dependencies. If other bugs in systemd-ship or cgmanager turn up,
they should be fixed. We have time to do that. And I am not opposed
to further `safety' changes to cgmana
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 08:54:27AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Josh Triplett writes:
>
> > This result concerns me greatly, and I think the technical committee
> > should take this into account when considering whether to flip the
> > dependencies of libpam-systemd around.
>
> So, this came up
Josh Triplett writes:
> This result concerns me greatly, and I think the technical committee
> should take this into account when considering whether to flip the
> dependencies of libpam-systemd around.
So, this came up before, and I believe that systemd-shim is not supposed
to interfere with sy
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 07:47:05AM +0100, Christian Seiler wrote:
> Am 02.11.2014 06:59, schrieb Josh Triplett:
> > Apart from that, I would still request that someone with the ability to
> > produce a modified local mirror test the two critical cases mentioned in
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi
Am 02.11.2014 06:59, schrieb Josh Triplett:
> Apart from that, I would still request that someone with the ability to
> produce a modified local mirror test the two critical cases mentioned in
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746578#129 . If those
> two cases work, then systemd
Josh Triplett writes ("Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal"):
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 14:19:45 + Ian Jackson
> wrote:
> > Josh Triplette produced a helpful detailed review. Here is the
> > revised draft.
>
> s/Triplette/Triplett/ :
On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 14:19:45 + Ian Jackson
wrote:
> Ian Jackson writes ("Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
> proposal"):
> > Here is my draft, just committed to git. I'm open to suggestions for
> > changes. If we can't agree on t
Ian Jackson writes ("Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal"):
> Here is my draft, just committed to git. I'm open to suggestions for
> changes. If we can't agree on the rationale I guess we could leave it
> out.
Josh Triplette produced a help
Thanks for your review. I appreciate the attention to detail.
Josh Triplett writes ("Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal"):
> Here, you give the simplified dependency without the version constraint,
> while below you give the full Depends with version con
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 22:59:09 -0700 Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:26:14 -0700 Russ Allbery wrote:
> > So, this is also the last call for anyone to explain what harmful effect
> > this could have if they think it would have a harmful effect. My
> > understanding is that all of the p
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:26:14 -0700 Russ Allbery wrote:
> So, this is also the last call for anyone to explain what harmful effect
> this could have if they think it would have a harmful effect. My
> understanding is that all of the possible harmful effects have been fixed
> by various other chang
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 18:55:32 + Ian Jackson
wrote:
> Rationale (Constitution 6.1(5)):
>
> 1. Currently libpam-systemd (which is pulled in by quite a few
>dependency chains) Depends on `systemd-sysv | systemd-shim'.
Here, you give the simplified dependency without the version constraint,
w
Ian Jackson writes:
> Rationale (Constitution 6.1(5)):
> 1. Currently libpam-systemd (which is pulled in by quite a few
>dependency chains) Depends on `systemd-sysv | systemd-shim'.
> 2. The effect of this is that installing certain leaf packages which
>depend on libpam-systemd can caus
Here is my draft, just committed to git. I'm open to suggestions for
changes. If we can't agree on the rationale I guess we could leave it
out.
Ian.
Rationale (Constitution 6.1(5)):
1. Currently libpam-systemd (which is pulled in by quite a few
dependency chains) Depends on `systemd-sysv
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