Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-27 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 23 aug 14, 17:17:05, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 09:33:56AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: Yes, you can configure such behaviour. I already have plenty of ways to configure the behavior I need. This discussion is about the default behavior. Exactly.

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-26 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:44:07AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: Exactly. I hope the reasoning behind current defaults has been explained adequately. Not sure what you mean by adequately. I understand your argument, but I disagree with it. Do you understand my argument? Yes, I understand

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
Exactly. I hope the reasoning behind current defaults has been explained adequately. Not sure what you mean by adequately. I understand your argument, but I disagree with it. Do you understand my argument? That said, it would be great to improve reporting if something like this happens.

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
Yes, you can configure such behaviour. I already have plenty of ways to configure the behavior I need. This discussion is about the default behavior. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-23 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 09:33:56AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: Yes, you can configure such behaviour. I already have plenty of ways to configure the behavior I need. This discussion is about the default behavior. Exactly. I hope the reasoning behind current defaults has been explained

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
- If a mount fails, keep on booting. And then do your best to try and bring this problem to the attention of someone (mentioning the nofail option in that same message). Only stop the boot if the partition is explicitly marked as critical or stoponfail. Well, 'fail', which is the default,

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-22 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:30:47AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: - If a mount fails, keep on booting. And then do your best to try and bring this problem to the attention of someone (mentioning the nofail option in that same message). Only stop the boot if the partition is explicitly

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
In which way is it safe and correct to interrupt the boot in this case? In the way that missing some mounts may indicate a serious problem and could lead to incorrect behaviour or data loss. Haven't heard many complaints about that over the years, so it shouldn't be a super-top-priority goal,

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-22 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 01:51:56PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: In which way is it safe and correct to interrupt the boot in this case? In the way that missing some mounts may indicate a serious problem and could lead to incorrect behaviour or data loss. Haven't heard many complaints

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-21 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 04:36:50PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: Well, I consider the sysvinit behaviour buggy and unfortunately this lead to broken fstab configurations in the past. There are 2 changes here: 1- systemd seems to *wait* for the device to be available, whereas the old

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
Well, I consider the sysvinit behaviour buggy and unfortunately this lead to broken fstab configurations in the past. There are 2 changes here: 1- systemd seems to *wait* for the device to be available, whereas the old scripts just failed right away if the device was absent. 2- if the mount

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-08 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 01:50:08 +0200 Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it wrote: On Aug 04, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by fix your fstab? Adding this option is even beneficial if there is nothing wrong with the fstab, as services can be started before non-essential

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-08 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 08.08.2014 13:40, schrieb Jean-Michaël Celerier: On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 01:50:08 +0200 Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it wrote: On Aug 04, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by fix your fstab? Adding this option is even beneficial if there is nothing wrong with the

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-03 Thread Michael Biebl
Control: -1 important Am 03.08.2014 12:21, schrieb Tony Green: Since my machine recently updated to using systemd, I have experienced a number of occasions when it would just hang at a blank screen when booting. After some searching I managed to work out how to get back to having verbose

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-03 Thread Cameron Norman
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 22:08:59 +0200 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Control: -1 important Am 03.08.2014 12:21, schrieb Tony Green: Since my machine recently updated to using systemd, I have experienced a number of occasions when it would just hang at a blank screen when booting.

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 04, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: With mountall/Upstart, there is a nobootwait option supported. I believe the behavior is similar to nofail, except that mountall will emit the filesystem event before finishing mounting the filesystem as well as not GAF about

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-03 Thread Tony Green
I can see that this is a tricky issue. I would suggest that at the very least, when systemd is installed to replace the old init system, the changelogs generated and emailed to the sysadmin ought to warn of potential problems with remote or removable filesystems and recommend adding nofail to

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-03 Thread Cameron Norman
El dom, 3 de ago 2014 a las 3:44 , Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it escribió: On Aug 04, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: With mountall/Upstart, there is a nobootwait option supported. I believe the behavior is similar to nofail, except that mountall will emit the filesystem event

Bug#756903: systemd: Boot hangs if filesystems unavailable

2014-08-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 04, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by fix your fstab? Adding this option is even beneficial if there is nothing wrong with the fstab, as services can be started before non-essential fs's are up. If you really want this then it can be arranged with noauto