Bug#781517: [Reproducible-builds] Bug#781517: tracker.d.o: please don't link ftbfs issues on reproducible.d.n
Hi, On Mittwoch, 29. April 2015, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: As dpkg-buildpackage now outputs `-Wdate-time` instead of `-Werror=date-time` in the reproducible toolchain, I believe the above to be less an issue. true, but I still think we shouldn't mark known false ftbfs as ftbfs... but: we know how to exclude these false results (see the ftbfs pages on rb.d.n) so we should only flag those real ftbfs in the json output. which is just a matter of doing it... I probably can look into this on Friday but wont if someone else beats me to it. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#781517: [Reproducible-builds] Bug#781517: tracker.d.o: please don't link ftbfs issues on reproducible.d.n
Holger Levsen: On Montag, 30. März 2015, Paul Wise wrote: These seem like FTBFS that should be reported, so the package maintainers patch out usage of the macros, especially as the plan was to enable warnings for them by default eventually. yes, they should be reported. thats why they are listed on https://reproducible.debian.net/issues/unstable/timestamps_from_cpp_macros_issue.html There is *no* need to list them on tracker.d.o, in fact, I consider this *harmful*: once you start showing false negatives, people are less likely to believe the results, thus people start to mentally ignore them. Please dont make this happen. How can we show FTBFS that do need to be reported but not show FTBFS that don't need to be reported? Please only show reliable results from reproducible.d.n on tracker.d.o - ftbfs bugs are not reliable. Please exclude them. (What's needed to exclude them would be to include logic from reproducible.debian.net which I dont consider sensible.) As dpkg-buildpackage now outputs `-Wdate-time` instead of `-Werror=date-time` in the reproducible toolchain, I believe the above to be less an issue. -- Lunar.''`. lu...@debian.org: :Ⓐ : # apt-get install anarchism `. `'` `- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#781517: [Reproducible-builds] Bug#781517: tracker.d.o: please don't link ftbfs issues on reproducible.d.n
Hi Lunar, On Montag, 30. März 2015, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: Sources embedding timestamps should be fixed. Getting help from maintainers would be great! So I think they should be notified when their packages are using __TIME__ (et al.) CPP macros. yes. we should file bugs about those issues. But linking all ftbfs issues lists too many false negatives, so I really think it's the opposite of helpful to link them. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#781517: [Reproducible-builds] Bug#781517: tracker.d.o: please don't link ftbfs issues on reproducible.d.n
Holger Levsen: while you thankfully added links to unreproducible packages on reproducible.debian.net you've also added links to packages which fail to build from source there, as can for example be seen on https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ocaml-faad Please don't do that, ftbfs issues on reproducible.d.n can have several causes not steeming from the package (eg half of the 700 ftbfs errors in unstable come from https://reproducible.debian.net/issues/unstable/timestamps_from_cpp_macros_issue.html Sources embedding timestamps should be fixed. Getting help from maintainers would be great! So I think they should be notified when their packages are using __TIME__ (et al.) CPP macros. -- Lunar.''`. lu...@debian.org: :Ⓐ : # apt-get install anarchism `. `'` `- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
