Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
Le Mon, May 11, 2015 at 07:22:02PM +0200, Muammar El Khatib a écrit : I have finished to package the new makehuman's upstream version. I am now in the phase of checking copyrights and cleaning lintian warnings. Thanks ! -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
Great news! Send me a mail if there is something you need help testing. // Joel Muammar El Khatib skrev den 2015-05-11 19:22: Dear all, I have finished to package the new makehuman's upstream version. I am now in the phase of checking copyrights and cleaning lintian warnings. Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
Dear all, I have finished to package the new makehuman's upstream version. I am now in the phase of checking copyrights and cleaning lintian warnings. Regards, -- Muammar El Khatib. Linux user: 403107. GPG Key = 71246E4A. http://muammar.me | http://proyectociencia.org ,''`. : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
If Muammar is OK with it and does not have much time in the near future to maintain the package himself, perhaps you can contact people from pkg-multimedia (the maintainers of Blender) or similar teams in Debian -- maybe they would like to have Makehuman under their umbrella and will help you with the task. ... That also sounds as a good solution to avoid NEW queue. I am almost certain there will be people interested in pkg-multimedia to take care of MH. I understand upstream's concerns about the ancient version currently available in Debian. If Joel wants, he can proceed to request RM from the archives but then the package has to go again in NEW queue. I apologize for all troubles caused. Sorry for delay, an easter vacation got in between. How would I go about speaking with the pkg-multimedia team in practice? Worst case, we have people on our side prepared to maintain the build, but we would then most likely need some basic support in interpreting guidelines etc. So hooking up with the people maintaining the blender build sounds like a sensible idea. Anyway, it sounds like maybe we should put off doing the final delete of the makehuman package until we've at least made a preliminary check with the multimedia people. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
2015-04-07 12:49 Joel Palmius: If Muammar is OK with it and does not have much time in the near future to maintain the package himself, perhaps you can contact people from pkg-multimedia (the maintainers of Blender) or similar teams in Debian -- maybe they would like to have Makehuman under their umbrella and will help you with the task. ... That also sounds as a good solution to avoid NEW queue. I am almost certain there will be people interested in pkg-multimedia to take care of MH. I understand upstream's concerns about the ancient version currently available in Debian. If Joel wants, he can proceed to request RM from the archives but then the package has to go again in NEW queue. I apologize for all troubles caused. Sorry for delay, an easter vacation got in between. How would I go about speaking with the pkg-multimedia team in practice? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia Basically, I would suggest to drop them an e-mail to the mailing list (one of the first two, or both), or maybe, specially if you do not get replies in a reasonable time [1], contact some of the listed maintainers/uploaders in relevant packages that might be similar and interested in interacting with your package (e.g. Blender). Cheers. [1] Not all maintainers have to be subscribed or pay close attention to those lists, which might have a high volume of messages. -- Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo manuel.montez...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
Dear all, On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo manuel.montez...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, one final thing that I forgot, sorry for the noise. If Muammar is OK with it and does not have much time in the near future to maintain the package himself, perhaps you can contact people from pkg-multimedia (the maintainers of Blender) or similar teams in Debian -- maybe they would like to have Makehuman under their umbrella and will help you with the task. That also sounds as a good solution to avoid NEW queue. I am almost certain there will be people interested in pkg-multimedia to take care of MH. I understand upstream's concerns about the ancient version currently available in Debian. If Joel wants, he can proceed to request RM from the archives but then the package has to go again in NEW queue. I apologize for all troubles caused. Regards, -- Muammar El Khatib. Linux user: 403107. GPG Key = 71246E4A. http://muammar.me | http://proyectociencia.org ,''`. : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
Dear Muammar, there is a report that your makehuman package is broken and outdated, see below. Accordingly, the package is already removed from our Testing distribution and will not be part of our next Stable release. Still, its presence in Unstable can still mislead users. The upstream maintainers propose to remove the package from Debian. Would you agree to that ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Le Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 01:31:19PM +0200, Joel Palmius a écrit : Package: qa.debian.org The version of MakeHuman currently included in the repo is a four year old alpha. As per bug report (#781306) it does not even seem to start. At this point it seems unlikely that an acceptable, less ancient, version could be included in Debian. Thus, we in the MakeHuman crew humbly requests that the currently available package at least be removed. It reflects poorly upon both Debian and MakeHuman that the current package is still around. We have filed a request (#751755) for a version bump, where we also offered to help in whatever way we could, but have so far not got a response. As per https://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/removal: 1. - (we don't know how many, or if anyone, is using the debian version) 2. The version in the repo is an alpha. A stable version has been around for some time 3. There is a functional deb available on our home page. However, this might need to be adapted to fit debian guidelines 4 6. As far as we can see, the maintainer hasn't touched the package, nor commented on bug reports for quite some time 5. - (upstream is very active) 7. No stable release was ever in debian, but a stable release is available. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qa-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55193407.3000...@contuitus.com -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
Dear Charles, On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Dear Muammar, there is a report that your makehuman package is broken and outdated, see below. Accordingly, the package is already removed from our Testing distribution and will not be part of our next Stable release. Still, its presence in Unstable can still mislead users. The upstream maintainers propose to remove the package from Debian. Would you agree to that ? Have a nice day, I am aware of makehuman's situation, but right now I am writing my PhD thesis and I will have time again from July. Maybe, it would be a good idea to team maintain the package and if somebody from makehuman project can prepare a new package we can work on it. As I have upload rights, I can upload and check the packaging. REmoving the package, implies to pass again by FTP Masters which is a very long process normally. I apologize for the current state of makehuman, but in this last year it has been almost impossible for me to do something out of the scope of my PhD. Regards, -- Muammar El Khatib. Linux user: 403107. GPG Key = 71246E4A. http://muammar.me | http://proyectociencia.org ,''`. : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
Le Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 01:31:19PM +0200, Joel Palmius a écrit : The version of MakeHuman currently included in the repo is a four year old alpha. As per bug report (#781306) it does not even seem to start. At this point it seems unlikely that an acceptable, less ancient, version could be included in Debian. Thus, we in the MakeHuman crew humbly requests that the currently available package at least be removed. It reflects poorly upon both Debian and MakeHuman that the current package is still around. Dear Joel, thank you for contacting us. I am sorry that we are causing trouble to your project with our outdated package. The bug report #781306 caused the package to be removed from our Testing distribution, therefore it will not be part of our next Stable release. This partially solves the problem, but as of today the package is still distributed in our Unstable distribtion and while this distribution is not directed at general users, I understand that you would like it to be removed as well. As you have seen, I have contacted the package maintainer, and I propose to wait 15 days and transfer the request for removal to our FTP archive team in the absence of a response, which will result in the final removal of the package. Is that good for you ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
This is a perfectly acceptable solution. The main thing we wanted to achieve here was to get the four year old alpha 6 out of circulation, and that is the goal that has priority over other concerns. So yes, we would like to have the package removed from Unstable too. I also saw the answer from the maintainer (and having written a PhD myself, I can sympathize). If it is acceptable, we can at a later point contribute a new build written for the current MakeHuman branch (although, we would most likely wait with that until the next stable release which is upcoming within the near future). We would then also be willing to discuss maintaining the build in the future. A question that have arisen in the project group is this though: Do we cause any irreparable harm for the possible (re-)inclusion of a new MakeHuman build at a later date by asking to have the current version removed? The worries mainly concerned the recommendations for reintroducing removed packages, but also the recommendations against introducing packages depending on python 2.x (which is a hard dependency for MakeHuman). Anyway, thank you for your quick response. Den 2015-04-01 14:49, Charles Plessy skrev: Le Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 01:31:19PM +0200, Joel Palmius a écrit : The version of MakeHuman currently included in the repo is a four year old alpha. As per bug report (#781306) it does not even seem to start. At this point it seems unlikely that an acceptable, less ancient, version could be included in Debian. Thus, we in the MakeHuman crew humbly requests that the currently available package at least be removed. It reflects poorly upon both Debian and MakeHuman that the current package is still around. Dear Joel, thank you for contacting us. I am sorry that we are causing trouble to your project with our outdated package. The bug report #781306 caused the package to be removed from our Testing distribution, therefore it will not be part of our next Stable release. This partially solves the problem, but as of today the package is still distributed in our Unstable distribtion and while this distribution is not directed at general users, I understand that you would like it to be removed as well. As you have seen, I have contacted the package maintainer, and I propose to wait 15 days and transfer the request for removal to our FTP archive team in the absence of a response, which will result in the final removal of the package. Is that good for you ? Have a nice day, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
2015-04-01 14:23 Joel Palmius: This is a perfectly acceptable solution. The main thing we wanted to achieve here was to get the four year old alpha 6 out of circulation, and that is the goal that has priority over other concerns. So yes, we would like to have the package removed from Unstable too. I also saw the answer from the maintainer (and having written a PhD myself, I can sympathize). If it is acceptable, we can at a later point contribute a new build written for the current MakeHuman branch (although, we would most likely wait with that until the next stable release which is upcoming within the near future). We would then also be willing to discuss maintaining the build in the future. A question that have arisen in the project group is this though: Do we cause any irreparable harm for the possible (re-)inclusion of a new MakeHuman build at a later date by asking to have the current version removed? It is not a *big* issue, but as Muammar says, it's a bit of a waste of time for several people involved (esp. FTP team, who would have to review again the license and do some boring bureaucratic changes to accept it in the archive again). I can volunteer to upload a new version within a few days/weeks, if everybody is happy with that, if the changes needed from the packaging side are not too many and specially if there are no nasty/boring license issues to solve by this new version :-) Also, I can move it to use git collab-maint, so it's easier in the future for other people to chime in. Is everybody happy with this? Muammar? The worries mainly concerned the recommendations for reintroducing removed packages, but also the recommendations against introducing packages depending on python 2.x (which is a hard dependency for MakeHuman). I don't know much about packaging Python applications in Debian, so I am not sure about how much of a problem this is. If anybody knows, please comment. Also, are there any plans from the Makehuman project to port it to Python 3 (or 2 and 3) in the near future? Cheers. -- Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo manuel.montez...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
2015-04-01 22:00 GMT+01:00 Joel Palmius joel.palm...@contuitus.com: I can volunteer to upload a new version within a few days/weeks, if everybody is happy with that, if the changes needed from the packaging side are not too many and specially if there are no nasty/boring license issues to solve by this new version :-) MakeHuman is very much not the same software now as it was four years ago. It's an entirely different code branch. Alpha 6 had a compiled c++ core which linked to python fragments. The current stable version is pure python. Pretty much all the libraries it depended on has changed. The build routine we have now involves building binary versions of graphical assets stored as ascii descriptions. This is done with custom scripts. The old license was GPL. The new license is AGPL with a special provision granting the use of certain assets under Creative Commons Zero. Without having looked at the old build routine, I'm guessing it'd have to be modified quite a lot. I don't know much about packaging Python applications in Debian, so I am not sure about how much of a problem this is. If anybody knows, please comment. Also, are there any plans from the Makehuman project to port it to Python 3 (or 2 and 3) in the near future? We are unable to switch to python 3 since one of the hard dependencies is only available for python 2.7 on windows (or was the last time I checked. Admittedly this was a while ago) Anyway, I'll check back with the team to see if someone is able/willing to pick up the build maintenance. OK, I see. The major problem that I see from my side in how to help, after the explanations above, is that I don't know almost anything about how to properly package Python software for Debian, and never worked in desktop applications developed in Python. Also, the fact that I would not be an everyday user of the software to be very capable / motivated and keeping it well maintained and up to date. Hopefully somebody else will step up, or if not, you can ask the FTP team to remove the package from unstable in a couple of weeks, as Charles said, and it will be added again in a few months once things are more clear. In the case that it helps and if you didn't do this already, perhaps you can look at other similar software which is up to date and well maintained in Debian, as probably Blender is. It looks quite straightforward for a complex package as Blender :-) http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/blender.git/tree/debian/rules http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/blender.git/tree/debian/control http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/blender.git/tree/debian/ Finally, you can ask debian-ment...@lists.debian.org for help (many people there can offer advice), and sponsors to upload the package once is ready. Cheers and thanks for creating the software, it looks great! -- Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo manuel.montez...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
2015-04-01 22:29 GMT+01:00 Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo manuel.montez...@gmail.com: 2015-04-01 22:00 GMT+01:00 Joel Palmius joel.palm...@contuitus.com: I can volunteer to upload a new version within a few days/weeks, if everybody is happy with that, if the changes needed from the packaging side are not too many and specially if there are no nasty/boring license issues to solve by this new version :-) MakeHuman is very much not the same software now as it was four years ago. It's an entirely different code branch. Alpha 6 had a compiled c++ core which linked to python fragments. The current stable version is pure python. Pretty much all the libraries it depended on has changed. The build routine we have now involves building binary versions of graphical assets stored as ascii descriptions. This is done with custom scripts. The old license was GPL. The new license is AGPL with a special provision granting the use of certain assets under Creative Commons Zero. Without having looked at the old build routine, I'm guessing it'd have to be modified quite a lot. I don't know much about packaging Python applications in Debian, so I am not sure about how much of a problem this is. If anybody knows, please comment. Also, are there any plans from the Makehuman project to port it to Python 3 (or 2 and 3) in the near future? We are unable to switch to python 3 since one of the hard dependencies is only available for python 2.7 on windows (or was the last time I checked. Admittedly this was a while ago) Anyway, I'll check back with the team to see if someone is able/willing to pick up the build maintenance. OK, I see. The major problem that I see from my side in how to help, after the explanations above, is that I don't know almost anything about how to properly package Python software for Debian, and never worked in desktop applications developed in Python. Also, the fact that I would not be an everyday user of the software to be very capable / motivated and keeping it well maintained and up to date. Hopefully somebody else will step up, or if not, you can ask the FTP team to remove the package from unstable in a couple of weeks, as Charles said, and it will be added again in a few months once things are more clear. In the case that it helps and if you didn't do this already, perhaps you can look at other similar software which is up to date and well maintained in Debian, as probably Blender is. It looks quite straightforward for a complex package as Blender :-) http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/blender.git/tree/debian/rules http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/blender.git/tree/debian/control http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/blender.git/tree/debian/ Finally, you can ask debian-ment...@lists.debian.org for help (many people there can offer advice), and sponsors to upload the package once is ready. Cheers and thanks for creating the software, it looks great! Oh, one final thing that I forgot, sorry for the noise. If Muammar is OK with it and does not have much time in the near future to maintain the package himself, perhaps you can contact people from pkg-multimedia (the maintainers of Blender) or similar teams in Debian -- maybe they would like to have Makehuman under their umbrella and will help you with the task. -- Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo manuel.montez...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
I can volunteer to upload a new version within a few days/weeks, if everybody is happy with that, if the changes needed from the packaging side are not too many and specially if there are no nasty/boring license issues to solve by this new version :-) MakeHuman is very much not the same software now as it was four years ago. It's an entirely different code branch. Alpha 6 had a compiled c++ core which linked to python fragments. The current stable version is pure python. Pretty much all the libraries it depended on has changed. The build routine we have now involves building binary versions of graphical assets stored as ascii descriptions. This is done with custom scripts. The old license was GPL. The new license is AGPL with a special provision granting the use of certain assets under Creative Commons Zero. Without having looked at the old build routine, I'm guessing it'd have to be modified quite a lot. I don't know much about packaging Python applications in Debian, so I am not sure about how much of a problem this is. If anybody knows, please comment. Also, are there any plans from the Makehuman project to port it to Python 3 (or 2 and 3) in the near future? We are unable to switch to python 3 since one of the hard dependencies is only available for python 2.7 on windows (or was the last time I checked. Admittedly this was a while ago) Anyway, I'll check back with the team to see if someone is able/willing to pick up the build maintenance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#781518: Please remove very outdated MakeHuman package
Package: qa.debian.org The version of MakeHuman currently included in the repo is a four year old alpha. As per bug report (#781306) it does not even seem to start. At this point it seems unlikely that an acceptable, less ancient, version could be included in Debian. Thus, we in the MakeHuman crew humbly requests that the currently available package at least be removed. It reflects poorly upon both Debian and MakeHuman that the current package is still around. We have filed a request (#751755) for a version bump, where we also offered to help in whatever way we could, but have so far not got a response. As per https://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/removal: 1. - (we don't know how many, or if anyone, is using the debian version) 2. The version in the repo is an alpha. A stable version has been around for some time 3. There is a functional deb available on our home page. However, this might need to be adapted to fit debian guidelines 4 6. As far as we can see, the maintainer hasn't touched the package, nor commented on bug reports for quite some time 5. - (upstream is very active) 7. No stable release was ever in debian, but a stable release is available. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
