Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
Mario Lang, le Wed 22 Apr 2015 16:49:01 +0200, a écrit :
raphael.poite...@gmail.com (Raphaël POITEVIN) writes:
Mario Lang ml...@debian.org writes:
Or do you really own a Cebra from NinePoint Systems?
I use a Handy Tech Braille Star.
So the bug is in auto-detection. The Cebra and Braille Star do infact
speak almost the same protocol, and do have, IIRC, identical USB IDs.
Eeee...
So there's no other way than specifying brltty=ht,usb:, at boot?
What confuses me is that according to the source code, the error
shouldn't happen. In Programs/config.c, we have:
static const char *const usbDrivers[] = {
al, bm, eu, fs, hd, hm, ht, hw, mt, pg, pm,
sk, vo, NULL
};
IOW, ce is deliberately not listed because we *know* it could
conflict.
It would be worthwhile to figure out why it is choosen anyways.
The correct solution for this problem is to stop the Cebra driver from
attempting to auto-detect. the Cebras are *very rare*, since the
company selling them went bancrupt a little before it actually started
to sell them in large volumes. So there are a lot more HT devices out
there. So how is should be is the other way round: If someone has a
Cebra, they should be forced to specify it manually.
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Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
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Mario Lang, le Thu 23 Apr 2015 09:08:31 +0200, a écrit :
So there's no other way than specifying brltty=ht,usb:, at boot?
What confuses me is that according to the source code, the error
shouldn't happen. In Programs/config.c, we have:
static const char *const usbDrivers[] = {
al, bm, eu, fs, hd, hm, ht, hw, mt, pg, pm,
sk, vo, NULL
};
But we specify ce in the udev script.
The correct solution for this problem is to stop the Cebra driver from
attempting to auto-detect. the Cebras are *very rare*, since the
company selling them went bancrupt a little before it actually started
to sell them in large volumes. So there are a lot more HT devices out
there. So how is should be is the other way round: If someone has a
Cebra, they should be forced to specify it manually.
I didn't know about that...
Unfortunately it's too late for Jessie 8.0, the debian-installer RC4 is
already uploaded. The fix will have to wait for Jessie 8.1.
Please, debian-accessibility people, when I call for testing the Debian
Installer, do test it. We can not fix things in a hurry at the last
minute.
Samuel
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Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Raphaël POITEVIN, le Wed 22 Apr 2015 17:57:20 +0200, a écrit : Mario Lang ml...@debian.org writes: So the bug is in auto-detection. The Cebra and Braille Star do infact speak almost the same protocol, and do have, IIRC, identical USB IDs. OK, but why this bug appears in RC2? It didn't happen at all with RC1? There were uploads of brltty in between, but they mattered only to xbrlapi and grub. I can also reproduce the no-detection-at-all issue with it. The new release of brltty was indeed introduced only in October, but the Cebra driver itself hadn't really changed since brltty 5.0. Wheezy however had only brltty 4.4, which didn't have the Cebra driver. I'm just thinking: perhaps we should exchange the cebra and handytech drivers? Will the ht driver accept a real cebra device? If not, that could work. I don't know the market share, but perhaps the inversion makes sense anyway? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
raphael.poite...@gmail.com (Raphaël POITEVIN) writes: Mario Lang ml...@debian.org writes: Or do you really own a Cebra from NinePoint Systems? I use a Handy Tech Braille Star. So the bug is in auto-detection. The Cebra and Braille Star do infact speak almost the same protocol, and do have, IIRC, identical USB IDs. -- CYa, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ | Debian Developer URL:http://debian.org/ .''`. | Get my public key via finger mlang/k...@db.debian.org : :' : | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 `. `' `- URL:http://delysid.org/ URL:http://www.staff.tugraz.at/mlang/ pgpzD5S1SRDcG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Seems like the auto-detection is going wrong. Or do you really own a Cebra from NinePoint Systems? Apr 22 14:04:10 brltty[529]: Cebra Model: 0X74, 40 cells raphael.poite...@gmail.com (Raphaël POITEVIN) writes: Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes: Could you try to upgrade the version in the installed system to 5.2~20141018-5? It’s already this version. Ideally you'd manage to run by hand brltty -d usb: -b ht -l debug -n -e inside the installer, and post the resulting log. Here in attachement. I noticed if I restart brltty, the Braille display works fine! If I disconnect and reconnect the USB, the bug appears again. So the bug appears at the boot of the installer and when the brltty daemon is already activated and has to detect the USB display. -- CYa, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ | Debian Developer URL:http://debian.org/ .''`. | Get my public key via finger mlang/k...@db.debian.org : :' : | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 `. `' `- URL:http://delysid.org/ URL:http://www.staff.tugraz.at/mlang/ pgprQdi33HPHg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Mario Lang ml...@debian.org writes: Or do you really own a Cebra from NinePoint Systems? I use a Handy Tech Braille Star. -- Raphaël POITEVIN Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Mario Lang ml...@debian.org writes: So the bug is in auto-detection. The Cebra and Braille Star do infact speak almost the same protocol, and do have, IIRC, identical USB IDs. OK, but why this bug appears in RC2? Is it because CEbra maybe is a new braille display? -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Mario Lang, le Wed 22 Apr 2015 16:49:01 +0200, a écrit : raphael.poite...@gmail.com (Raphaël POITEVIN) writes: Mario Lang ml...@debian.org writes: Or do you really own a Cebra from NinePoint Systems? I use a Handy Tech Braille Star. So the bug is in auto-detection. The Cebra and Braille Star do infact speak almost the same protocol, and do have, IIRC, identical USB IDs. Eeee... So there's no other way than specifying brltty=ht,usb:, at boot? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes: It didn't happen at all with RC1? There were uploads of brltty in between, but they mattered only to xbrlapi and grub. I can also reproduce the no-detection-at-all issue with it. I don’t know. I didn’t think to try the RC1. -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Hi Samuel, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes: Could you test the following image to make sure? It fixes the issue for me. http://dept-info.labri.fr/~thibault/tmp/mini.iso My Braille display works, but I don’t manage to move in the screen with the navigation keys. I can only pan 40 characters left and right, but it’s wrong keys. Those keys are usually used to emulate up and down arrow keys. Thank you for your help. -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Raphaël POITEVIN, le Fri 17 Apr 2015 11:28:58 +0200, a écrit : Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes: Could you test the following image to make sure? It fixes the issue for me. http://dept-info.labri.fr/~thibault/tmp/mini.iso My Braille display works, but I don’t manage to move in the screen with the navigation keys. I can only pan 40 characters left and right, but it’s wrong keys. Those keys are usually used to emulate up and down arrow keys. Does this happen in the installed system too? Which keys are these? From what I can read from bs.kti, the chosen binding for navigation is bind SpaceLeft FWINLT bind SpaceRight FWINRT bind B1+SpaceLeft LNBEG bind B1+SpaceRight LNEND bind B2+SpaceLeft TOP bind B2+SpaceRight BOT bind B3+SpaceLeft HWINLT bind B3+SpaceRight HWINRT bind B6+SpaceLeft CHRLT bind B6+SpaceRight CHRRT Are you talking about SpaceLeft/Right? Apparently it was definitely chosen to be FWINLT/RT. If that should be fixed, please discuss on the brltty mailing list. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes: Does this happen in the installed system too? It seems not. After booting the system, everything works as well ! Which keys are these? From what I can read from bs.kti, the chosen binding for navigation is bind SpaceLeft FWINLT bind SpaceRight FWINRT bind B1+SpaceLeft LNBEG bind B1+SpaceRight LNEND bind B2+SpaceLeft TOP bind B2+SpaceRight BOT bind B3+SpaceLeft HWINLT bind B3+SpaceRight HWINRT bind B6+SpaceLeft CHRLT bind B6+SpaceRight CHRRT Actually, it’s a big mess ! No keys works correctly ! The space left and right seem to be inacvive. Are you talking about SpaceLeft/Right? Apparently it was definitely chosen to be FWINLT/RT. If that should be fixed, please discuss on the brltty mailing list. After booting, everything is OK ! It’s a special bug in the installer. Thanks, -- Raphaël Hypra S.A.S. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Raphaël POITEVIN, le Fri 17 Apr 2015 17:11:41 +0200, a écrit : Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes: Does this happen in the installed system too? It seems not. After booting the system, everything works as well ! Could you try to upgrade the version in the installed system to 5.2~20141018-5? Actually, it’s a big mess ! No keys works correctly ! The space left and right seem to be inacvive. Grmbl. And of course I have no way to really test this... Are you talking about SpaceLeft/Right? Apparently it was definitely chosen to be FWINLT/RT. If that should be fixed, please discuss on the brltty mailing list. After booting, everything is OK ! It’s a special bug in the installer. Or maybe just the installer I've built. Ideally you'd manage to run by hand brltty -d usb: -b ht -l debug -n -e inside the installer, and post the resulting log. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Package: brltty severity: important Raphaël POITEVIN, le Thu 16 Apr 2015 14:22:23 +0200, a écrit : It’s realy funny to talk with you in englishr ! :) Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes: Please specify which display, with lsusb output, etc. Otherwise I can not answer much more than works for me with a baum device. I use a Handy Tech Braille Star. Here lsusb output, hoping to filter the right information: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC It seems the Albatross driver probing gets stuck indeed, and thus the handy tech driver never gets hands on the port. I'll have a urgent look, not sure that'll make it for jessie 8.0 Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically
Samuel Thibault, le Thu 16 Apr 2015 22:32:18 +0200, a écrit : Raphaël POITEVIN, le Thu 16 Apr 2015 14:22:23 +0200, a écrit : It’s realy funny to talk with you in englishr ! :) Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes: Please specify which display, with lsusb output, etc. Otherwise I can not answer much more than works for me with a baum device. I use a Handy Tech Braille Star. Here lsusb output, hoping to filter the right information: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC It seems the Albatross driver probing gets stuck indeed, and thus the handy tech driver never gets hands on the port. I'll have a urgent look, not sure that'll make it for jessie 8.0 Could you test the following image to make sure? It fixes the issue for me. http://dept-info.labri.fr/~thibault/tmp/mini.iso Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
