Bug#861378: lists.debian.org: Please update list description for debian-chinese-{gb,big5}

[Boyuan Yang]

2017-07-30 19:08 GMT+08:00 Hanno 'Rince' Wagner :
> Hi Boyuan!
>
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2017, Boyuan Yang wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, but you seem to have text of two lists mixed up.
>
> Yes, it was mixed up; I fixed it now.
>
> if you want to drop or create other mailinglists, please create
> open another bug since the main problem (wrong descriptions) is now
> fixed.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Hanno Wagner
> best regards, Hanno Wagner, Listmaster of the day

Thanks. Confirmed that the text is correct now.

Issues around dropping certain list will be discussed on DebConf 2017.
Let's wait till after that
and discuss the issue in another bug if needed.

Regards,
Boyuan Yang

Bug#861378: lists.debian.org: Please update list description for debian-chinese-{gb,big5}

[Boyuan Yang]

reopen 861378 =
thanks

在 2017年7月29日星期六 CST 下午4:11:08，Hanno 'Rince' Wagner 写道：
> Hi Boyuan!
> 
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017, Boyuan Yang wrote:
> > The need of updating list descriptions is still valid. Please try to fix
> > them when possible. See Bug #861378 for details.
> 
> I just changed the descriptions on the webpages. If you want further
> changes, please don't hesitate to ask :-)

I'm sorry, but you seem to have text of two lists mixed up.

For example, https://lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-gb/ is only for Simplified 
Chinese and debian-chinese-big5 is only for Traditional Chinese.

I'm providing the correct description words here again for you reference:

debian-chinese-gb


debian-user in Chinese [Simplified Chinese]

Debian Chinese Project; Chinese localization (l10n) issues, documentation
and website translation, user support, Chinese-specific development, etc.

Posts may be in English or Chinese. The simplified variant of Chinese
(Simplified Chinese, like zh_CN or zh_SG) is preferred.

Languages used on this list: Chinese, English.

Posting address: debian-chinese...@lists.debian.org

debian-chinese-big5
=

debian-user in Chinese [Traditional Chinese]

Debian Chinese Project; Chinese localization (l10n) issues, documentation
and website translation, user support, Chinese-specific development, etc.

Posts may be in English or Chinese. The traditional variant of Chinese
(Traditional Chinese, like zh_TW or zh_HK) is preferred.

Languages used on this list: Chinese, English.

Posting address: debian-chinese-b...@lists.debian.org

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Regards,
Boyuan Yang

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Bug#861378: lists.debian.org: Please update list description for debian-chinese-{gb,big5}

[Boyuan Yang]

在 2017年4月28日星期五 CST 下午3:25:48，Boyuan Yang 写道：
> Package: lists.debian.org
> Severity: normal
> X-Debbugs-CC: debian-chinese-b...@lists.debian.org,
> debian-chinese...@lists.debian.org
> 
> Description words for debian-chinese-gb and debian-chinese-big5 are severely
> outdated. Thus I'm seeking help to update those words.
[...]
> --
> Sincerely,
> Boyuan Yang

Ping? Is there any listmaster alive?

The need of updating list descriptions is still valid. Please try to fix them 
when possible. See Bug #861378 for details.

Sincerely,
Boyuan Yang

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Bug#847950: Bug#861378: lists.debian.org: Please update list description for debian-chinese-{gb,big5}

[Boyuan Yang]

X-Debbugs-CC: debian-chinese...@lists.debian.org, 
debian-chinese-b...@lists.debian.org

在 2017年4月28日星期五 +08 下午3:53:10，ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) 写道：
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 03:25:48PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:
> > debian-chinese-big5
> Hi,
> 
> I think we can disable this mailing list due to the following reasons:
> 
> * For translation related discuss, we can go to debian-l10n-chinese.
> 
> * For Debian user in Taiwan, A new list debian-dug-taiwan has been
>   requested (#847950).

I have no objection on closing debian-chinese-big5 if the majority of Taiwan
users and developers on list find that appropriate. Yet list descriptions 
should be updated as long as that list is not closed.

--
Sincerely,
Boyuan Yang

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Bug#847950: Bug#861378: lists.debian.org: Please update list description for debian-chinese-{gb,big5}

[陳昌倬]

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 03:25:48PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote:
> debian-chinese-big5
> ===
> 
> debian-user in Chinese [Traditional Chinese]
> 
> Debian Chinese Project; Chinese localization (l10n) issues, documentation
> and website translation, user support, Chinese-specific development, etc.
> 
> Posts may be in English or Chinese. The traditional variant of Chinese
> (Traditional Chinese, like zh_TW or zh_HK) is preferred.
> 
> Languages used on this list: Chinese, English.
> 
> Posting address: debian-chinese-b...@lists.debian.org
> 
> 

Hi,

I think we can disable this mailing list due to the following reasons:

* For translation related discuss, we can go to debian-l10n-chinese.

* For Debian user in Taiwan, A new list debian-dug-taiwan has been
  requested (#847950).


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Bug#861378: lists.debian.org: Please update list description for debian-chinese-{gb,big5}

[Boyuan Yang]

Package: lists.debian.org
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-chinese-b...@lists.debian.org, 
debian-chinese...@lists.debian.org

Description words for debian-chinese-gb and debian-chinese-big5 are severely
outdated. Thus I'm seeking help to update those words.

Current problems:

* UTF-8 encoding has largely replaced others when using Chinese in Linux world.
Mails sent to both mailing lists in recent years are 100% UTF-8 encoded.
GBK and BIG5 are quickly becoming irrelevant.

* Cross-posting mechanism (See bug #237723) has been broken for
**decades**. With no intention of fixing, such information should be removed
from list description.

* Non-subscriber posting is allowed currently, which conflicts with current
statement in the description.

-

As a result, I believe it would be better if we differ those two lists 
according to
language variants (zh_CN, zh_TW, zh_HK, zh_SG, etc) instead of text encodings
(GBK, BIG5, ...).

Proposed list descriptions are as follows:

debian-chinese-gb
=

debian-user in Chinese [Simplified Chinese]

Debian Chinese Project; Chinese localization (l10n) issues, documentation
and website translation, user support, Chinese-specific development, etc.

Posts may be in English or Chinese. The simplified variant of Chinese
(Simplified Chinese, like zh_CN or zh_SG) is preferred.

Languages used on this list: Chinese, English.

Posting address: debian-chinese...@lists.debian.org

debian-chinese-big5
===

debian-user in Chinese [Traditional Chinese]

Debian Chinese Project; Chinese localization (l10n) issues, documentation
and website translation, user support, Chinese-specific development, etc.

Posts may be in English or Chinese. The traditional variant of Chinese
(Traditional Chinese, like zh_TW or zh_HK) is preferred.

Languages used on this list: Chinese, English.

Posting address: debian-chinese-b...@lists.debian.org



Please help reviewing and updating corresponding descriptions.

Thanks!

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Sincerely,
Boyuan Yang

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