Bug#923908: new upstream version available (9.2)
Bastien writes: > Hi Nicholas, > > thanks for your answer. > > Nicholas D Steeves writes: > >> Thank you for the notification, and sorry for the unfortunate state of >> Org mode in Debian 12 (bookworm). A variety of factors intersected to >> generate this outcome, and I wish we, as a team, had been able to do >> better. > > No problem at all. While I'm at it: any idea on how many persons are > using the Debian Org package? I suspect there are less and less users, > because Org comes with Emacs and is easily installable as an Emacs > package, but perhaps I'm wrong. > In the end the state of org-mode in bookworm is fine: users get the version from emacs as the separate elpa-org package is a dummy package. It is hard to know what popcon numbers mean in absolute terms, but the number of installs is overall trending upward: https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=elpa-org_installed=on_legend=on_ticks=on_fmt=%25Y-%25m=1 The question whether it is worth packaging org in Debian is essentially the same as for any other package in GNU ELPA. Some users prefer a more "upstream" approach as it generally gives newer software, while others find value in the integration and testing provided by Debian.
Bug#923908: new upstream version available (9.2)
Hi Nicholas, thanks for your answer. Nicholas D Steeves writes: > Thank you for the notification, and sorry for the unfortunate state of > Org mode in Debian 12 (bookworm). A variety of factors intersected to > generate this outcome, and I wish we, as a team, had been able to do > better. No problem at all. While I'm at it: any idea on how many persons are using the Debian Org package? I suspect there are less and less users, because Org comes with Emacs and is easily installable as an Emacs package, but perhaps I'm wrong. > Do you think that org-contrib should be installed alongside Org by > default? Not anymore. When org-contrib was very new, yes, this would have been a good idea to smooth the transition for some users. > I believe in > "better late than never", so would like to fix these issues for Debian > 13 (trixie), as well as for users who will manually install the latest > available Debian org-mode package onto older releases. I don't think the issue needs to be fixed anymore, unless there are many bug reports against org-contrib (or some library in org-contrib) missing. > Also, is there something we should consider automatically parsing for > notice of these kinds of changes? Not anymore. Regards, -- Bastien
Bug#923908: new upstream version available (9.2)
On 2023-07-05 18:04:46, Nicholas D. Steeves wrote: [...] > Bastien writes: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm not sure if this is the right place to announce this, but here it >> goes: Org 9.4 is out. > > That's a good question! Yes, I believe that filing a "new upstream > version" bug is likely to reduce the latency between when you release, > and when this release is imported into Debian. With a Debian system, > this is achieved with the following command: > > reportbug org-mode I do not believe it is necessary to open a new "new upstream release" bug report, we have this one, it can just be retitled. a. -- L'adversaire d'une vraie liberté est un désir excessif de sécurité. - Jean de la Fontaine
Bug#923908: new upstream version available (9.2)
Hi Bastien, Reply follows inline. Bastien writes: > Hi all, > > I'm not sure if this is the right place to announce this, but here it > goes: Org 9.4 is out. That's a good question! Yes, I believe that filing a "new upstream version" bug is likely to reduce the latency between when you release, and when this release is imported into Debian. With a Debian system, this is achieved with the following command: reportbug org-mode > We plan to remove the contrib/ directory from org-mode.git for either > Org 9.5 or Org 9.6. > > We will provide another way to install contribs, surely as a Org ELPA > package. I will let you know the details. Thank you for the notification, and sorry for the unfortunate state of Org mode in Debian 12 (bookworm). A variety of factors intersected to generate this outcome, and I wish we, as a team, had been able to do better. As for dependency packages that ensure a smooth transition: For Debian 12 (bookworm), unfortunately neither org-drill nor org-contrib are installed by default when org-mode is installed. I believe org-drill should have been, but I'm not sure sure about org-contrib, given its status as a kind of unmaintained orphanage area. Do you think that org-contrib should be installed alongside Org by default? I believe in "better late than never", so would like to fix these issues for Debian 13 (trixie), as well as for users who will manually install the latest available Debian org-mode package onto older releases. Also, is there something we should consider automatically parsing for notice of these kinds of changes? Regards, Nicholas
Bug#923908: new upstream version available (9.2)
Hi, Sebastien Delafond writes: > On 15/03 22:45, Nicholas D Steeves wrote: >> While triaging bugs I just noticed this one is marked fixed but is >> still open. Was it left open as a reminder to backport bullseye's >> org-mode? > > I believe that was the rationale at the time. > >> Does arch:all elpa-org-mode need a formal bpo, or will adding testing >> or sid apt source in combination with pinning work well enough? > > Package pinning should work fine, but if enough users request a proper > stable backport I guess it could also be maintained. Bookworm has been released, which means bullseye-backports will probably be winding down in a year. Meanwhile, no one requested an org-mode formal backport in three years, so I think it's safe to close this bug. Regards, Nicholas signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#923908: new upstream version available (9.2)
Hi all, I'm not sure if this is the right place to announce this, but here it goes: Org 9.4 is out. We plan to remove the contrib/ directory from org-mode.git for either Org 9.5 or Org 9.6. We will provide another way to install contribs, surely as a Org ELPA package. I will let you know the details. Thanks, -- Bastien
Bug#923908: new upstream version available (9.2)
On 15/03 22:45, Nicholas D Steeves wrote: > While triaging bugs I just noticed this one is marked fixed but is > still open. Was it left open as a reminder to backport bullseye's > org-mode? I believe that was the rationale at the time. > Does arch:all elpa-org-mode need a formal bpo, or will adding testing > or sid apt source in combination with pinning work well enough? Package pinning should work fine, but if enough users request a proper stable backport I guess it could also be maintained. Cheers, -- Seb
Bug#923908: new upstream version available (9.2)
Hi Antoine and Sébastien! On Wed, Mar 06, 2019 at 06:27:08PM -0500, Antoine Beaupre wrote: > Package: org-mode > Version: 9.1.14+dfsg-3 > Severity: wishlist > > It would be great to see the newest version of org-mode packaged in > Debian. I understand it's too late to pass the freeze, but maybe it > could be uploaded to experimental in the meantime and eventually > backported to buster? > While triaging bugs I just noticed this one is marked fixed but is still open. Was it left open as a reminder to backport bullseye's org-mode? Does arch:all elpa-org-mode need a formal bpo, or will adding testing or sid apt source in combination with pinning work well enough? Cheers, Nicholas signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#923908: new upstream version available (9.2)
Package: org-mode Version: 9.1.14+dfsg-3 Severity: wishlist It would be great to see the newest version of org-mode packaged in Debian. I understand it's too late to pass the freeze, but maybe it could be uploaded to experimental in the meantime and eventually backported to buster? -- System Information: Debian Release: buster/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental'), (1, 'unstable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 4.19.0-2-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Kernel taint flags: TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE Locale: LANG=fr_CA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_CA.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE=fr_CA.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) LSM: AppArmor: enabled Versions of packages org-mode depends on: ii elpa-org 9.1.14+dfsg-3 org-mode recommends no packages. org-mode suggests no packages. -- debconf-show failed
