Bug#927896: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#927896: Bug#927896: Bug#927896: policykit-1: Please drop consolekit dependency on !linux
Michael Biebl, le jeu. 25 avril 2019 01:02:44 +0200, a ecrit: > Am 25.04.19 um 00:54 schrieb Samuel Thibault: > > Michael Biebl, le jeu. 25 avril 2019 00:27:58 +0200, a ecrit: > > >> Keep in mind that I only proposed to change policykit-1 to linux-any. > >> The libpolkit-*-dev packages would still be any. > > > > Ah! I thought you meant the whole source package... > > source packages can't be linux-any, only binary packages (but I guess > you know that). Yes, but people very often just mark all binary packages of a source package as linux-any, to just avoid having to care about !linux. Samuel
Bug#927896: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#927896: Bug#927896: Bug#927896: policykit-1: Please drop consolekit dependency on !linux
Am 25.04.19 um 00:54 schrieb Samuel Thibault: > Michael Biebl, le jeu. 25 avril 2019 00:27:58 +0200, a ecrit: >> Keep in mind that I only proposed to change policykit-1 to linux-any. >> The libpolkit-*-dev packages would still be any. > > Ah! I thought you meant the whole source package... source packages can't be linux-any, only binary packages (but I guess you know that). -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#927896: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#927896: Bug#927896: Bug#927896: policykit-1: Please drop consolekit dependency on !linux
Michael Biebl, le jeu. 25 avril 2019 00:27:58 +0200, a ecrit: > Am 25.04.19 um 00:06 schrieb Samuel Thibault: > > Michael Biebl, le mer. 24 avril 2019 23:44:57 +0200, a ecrit: > >> It's quite simple really: If policykit-1 is not functional on !linux, > >> there should be no policykit-1 package on !linux. > > > > That's a principle I can understand, yes. But then the principle meets > > the rest of what Debian is: a clench of dependencies, policykit-1 being > > relatively central in it. Having to spend time to disable almost a > > hundred of dependencies is really not a good use of volunteer time. > > You don't have to disable almost a hundred of dependencies, you just > need to acknowledge that some packages are not fully functional on !linux. Sure, I completely agree with that, cf the rest of my previous mail. > Keep in mind that I only proposed to change policykit-1 to linux-any. > The libpolkit-*-dev packages would still be any. Ah! I thought you meant the whole source package... > The effect would be, that packages which declare a hard Depends on > policykit-1 would be not installable on !linux. And I think that's a > good thing. If they really need policykit-1, we should not pretend > that a functional policykit-1 exists when it doesn't. That part looks good enough to me indeed. Samuel
Bug#927896: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#927896: Bug#927896: Bug#927896: policykit-1: Please drop consolekit dependency on !linux
Am 25.04.19 um 00:06 schrieb Samuel Thibault: > Michael Biebl, le mer. 24 avril 2019 23:44:57 +0200, a ecrit: >> It's quite simple really: If policykit-1 is not functional on !linux, >> there should be no policykit-1 package on !linux. > > That's a principle I can understand, yes. But then the principle meets > the rest of what Debian is: a clench of dependencies, policykit-1 being > relatively central in it. Having to spend time to disable almost a > hundred of dependencies is really not a good use of volunteer time. You don't have to disable almost a hundred of dependencies, you just need to acknowledge that some packages are not fully functional on !linux. Keep in mind that I only proposed to change policykit-1 to linux-any. The libpolkit-*-dev packages would still be any. The effect would be, that packages which declare a hard Depends on policykit-1 would be not installable on !linux. And I think that's a good thing. If they really need policykit-1, we should not pretend that a functional policykit-1 exists when it doesn't. Regards, Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#927896: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#927896: Bug#927896: Bug#927896: policykit-1: Please drop consolekit dependency on !linux
Michael Biebl, le mer. 24 avril 2019 23:44:57 +0200, a ecrit: > It's quite simple really: If policykit-1 is not functional on !linux, > there should be no policykit-1 package on !linux. That's a principle I can understand, yes. But then the principle meets the rest of what Debian is: a clench of dependencies, policykit-1 being relatively central in it. Having to spend time to disable almost a hundred of dependencies is really not a good use of volunteer time. Really, this has been discussed several times in the past for various packages: for all people's use of time, it's really better to just leave an implementation that just returns errors, than having to bug each and every of a hundred of maintainers just to disable the dependency because the non-functional implementation was removed. Only to bug them _*again*_ once the implementation has been made to work, to re-enable the features that would probably just have been disabled automatically on getting the error from the non-functional implementation! This is really exactly the case for the package I know about, brltty. Samuel
Bug#927896: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#927896: Bug#927896: Bug#927896: policykit-1: Please drop consolekit dependency on !linux
Am 24.04.19 um 23:37 schrieb Samuel Thibault: > Michael Biebl, le mer. 24 avril 2019 22:56:11 +0200, a ecrit: >> Am 24.04.19 um 22:31 schrieb Samuel Thibault: >>> Michael Biebl, le mer. 24 avril 2019 22:21:03 +0200, a ecrit: Am 24.04.19 um 21:58 schrieb Samuel Thibault: > Michael Biebl, le mer. 24 avril 2019 21:40:04 +0200, a ecrit: >> Am 24.04.19 um 21:24 schrieb Samuel Thibault: >>> consolekit has been removed, please drop the dependency from the >>> policykit-1 package, as the attached patch does. >> >> I guess we should make policykit-1 linux-any, given that we don't have a >> working backend on !linux. > > That'd notably mean having to make the libpolkit-gobject-1-dev > dependency [linux-any] on apparently 69 packages. How so? It would just mean those packages become unbuildable on !linux >>> >>> Yes, while a lot of them would just build and work fine on !linux >>> without any change anywhere but keep policykit-1 build find on >>> !linux. >>> >>> For instance brltty's dependency on policykit is just a convenience, it >>> can fully work without it. That's probably the same for a lot of these >>> 69 packages. I don't personally plan to take the time to have a look at >>> these 69 packages. I don't think anybody will happily plan to. >> >> Well, I don't think the alternative is better, i.e. pretend policykit-1 >> is workable on !linux, even if that means it is less convenient. > > What do you mean by "better" exactly? > > Providing a -dev package doesn't mean pretending that it'll work. A lot > of packages only have a Recommends: policykit-1, i.e. AIUI they don't > expect the library to be always working. > > Really, is that really a lot of work to just drop that line and be done > with the discussion? > > I'm not even asking to do it for Buster, since there won't be any !linux > released arch. It's quite simple really: If policykit-1 is not functional on !linux, there should be no policykit-1 package on !linux. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
