Bug#929752: Changing quote signs in GPL allowed? [Was: Bug#929752: installation-guide: left quotes in gpl.xml are not correctly rendered in pdf ]
Control: tags -1 + pending lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 08:30:56PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: > > I was about to commit these changes, however it came to my mind if such > > changes to the GPL are allowed? > > > > At least the English variant of the GPL is 'official' and is not to be > > changed, so what about changing the quoting signs into > > entities? > > gpl.xml isn't official. It isn't one of the files from the FSF. > There is a gpl-2.0.dbk[1] version available which in fact does use > and while every other file format uses ` and '. So at least > there is precedence for using tags instead. After all if you > decided to use the docbook file as your source text, you would get the > quotes desired. > > [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.dbk Therefore I have committed the changes; tagging this bug as pending. Holger -- Holger Wansing PGP-Fingerprint: 496A C6E8 1442 4B34 8508 3529 59F1 87CA 156E B076
Bug#929752: Changing quote signs in GPL allowed? [Was: Bug#929752: installation-guide: left quotes in gpl.xml are not correctly rendered in pdf ]
On Tue, 2019-08-06 at 21:05 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Holger Wansing (2019-08-06 20:30:56)
> >
> > [Adding debian-devel for a bigger audience]
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Holger Wansing wrote:
> > >
> > > Control: retitle -1 Replace grave accents/single quotes by
> > > in gpl.xml
> > >
> > > Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Changwoo Ryu, le jeu. 30 mai 2019 22:22:05 +0900, a ecrit:
> > > > >
> > > > > In en/appendix/gpl.xml, ordinary double quotes (") and grave
> > > > > accent character (`) are used for left single/double quotes.
> > > > > But
> > > > > they are not correctly rendered in pdf.
> > > > >
> > > > > See the English PDF at
> > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/install.pdf.en.
> > > > > Opening double quotes are rendered as right double quotes.
> > > > > And
> > > > > grave accents are rendered just as grave accents, not a left
> > > > > single quotes.
> > > > AIUI we should just replace "" and `' in the xml file with
> > > > .
> > I was about to commit these changes, however it came to my mind if
> > such changes to the GPL are allowed?
> >
> > At least the English variant of the GPL is 'official' and is not to
> > be
> > changed, so what about changing the quoting signs into
> > entities?
> Some very narrow interpretation of "not to be changed" disallow
> making
> the text into a PDF at all, as it is not bit-by-bit identical.
>
> GNU GPL-1, GPL-2, and GPL-3 however all permit "verbatim copies"
> which I
> can only interpret as permitting changes to punctuation and
> whitespace.
IANAL. In my opinion, replacing punctuation with equivalent markup to
render correctly while still keeping the original wording is within the
spirit of GPL.
I think the best thing to do would be to contact the FSF and ask for
clarification. I'm sure they'd be happy to answer this.
Kyle
Bug#929752: Changing quote signs in GPL allowed? [Was: Bug#929752: installation-guide: left quotes in gpl.xml are not correctly rendered in pdf ]
On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 08:30:56PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: > I was about to commit these changes, however it came to my mind if such > changes to the GPL are allowed? > > At least the English variant of the GPL is 'official' and is not to be > changed, so what about changing the quoting signs into > entities? gpl.xml isn't official. It isn't one of the files from the FSF. There is a gpl-2.0.dbk[1] version available which in fact does use and while every other file format uses ` and '. So at least there is precedence for using tags instead. After all if you decided to use the docbook file as your source text, you would get the quotes desired. [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.dbk -- Len Sorensen
Bug#929752: Changing quote signs in GPL allowed? [Was: Bug#929752: installation-guide: left quotes in gpl.xml are not correctly rendered in pdf ]
Quoting Holger Wansing (2019-08-06 20:30:56)
> [Adding debian-devel for a bigger audience]
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Holger Wansing wrote:
> > Control: retitle -1 Replace grave accents/single quotes by
> > in gpl.xml
> >
> > Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Changwoo Ryu, le jeu. 30 mai 2019 22:22:05 +0900, a ecrit:
> > > > In en/appendix/gpl.xml, ordinary double quotes (") and grave
> > > > accent character (`) are used for left single/double quotes. But
> > > > they are not correctly rendered in pdf.
> > > >
> > > > See the English PDF at
> > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/install.pdf.en.
> > > > Opening double quotes are rendered as right double quotes. And
> > > > grave accents are rendered just as grave accents, not a left
> > > > single quotes.
> > >
> > > AIUI we should just replace "" and `' in the xml file with
> > > .
>
> I was about to commit these changes, however it came to my mind if
> such changes to the GPL are allowed?
>
> At least the English variant of the GPL is 'official' and is not to be
> changed, so what about changing the quoting signs into
> entities?
Some very narrow interpretation of "not to be changed" disallow making
the text into a PDF at all, as it is not bit-by-bit identical.
GNU GPL-1, GPL-2, and GPL-3 however all permit "verbatim copies" which I
can only interpret as permitting changes to punctuation and whitespace.
- Jonas
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Bug#929752: Changing quote signs in GPL allowed? [Was: Bug#929752: installation-guide: left quotes in gpl.xml are not correctly rendered in pdf ]
[Adding debian-devel for a bigger audience]
Hi,
Holger Wansing wrote:
> Control: retitle -1 Replace grave accents/single quotes by in
> gpl.xml
>
> Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Changwoo Ryu, le jeu. 30 mai 2019 22:22:05 +0900, a ecrit:
> > > In en/appendix/gpl.xml, ordinary double quotes (") and grave accent
> > > character (`)
> > > are used for left single/double quotes. But they are not correctly
> > > rendered in pdf.
> > >
> > > See the English PDF at
> > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/install.pdf.en.
> > > Opening double quotes are rendered as right double quotes. And grave
> > > accents are
> > > rendered just as grave accents, not a left single quotes.
> >
> > AIUI we should just replace "" and `' in the xml file with
> > .
I was about to commit these changes, however it came to my mind if such
changes to the GPL are allowed?
At least the English variant of the GPL is 'official' and is not to be
changed, so what about changing the quoting signs into
entities?
Holger
--
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PGP-Fingerprint: 496A C6E8 1442 4B34 8508 3529 59F1 87CA 156E B076
Bug#929752: installation-guide: left quotes in gpl.xml are not correctly rendered in pdf
Control: retitle -1 Replace grave accents/single quotes by in
gpl.xml
Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Changwoo Ryu, le jeu. 30 mai 2019 22:22:05 +0900, a ecrit:
> > In en/appendix/gpl.xml, ordinary double quotes (") and grave accent
> > character (`)
> > are used for left single/double quotes. But they are not correctly
> > rendered in pdf.
> >
> > See the English PDF at
> > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/install.pdf.en.
> > Opening double quotes are rendered as right double quotes. And grave
> > accents are
> > rendered just as grave accents, not a left single quotes.
>
> AIUI we should just replace "" and `' in the xml file with
> .
Exactly!
Renaming this bug accordingly.
Holger
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Bug#929752: installation-guide: left quotes in gpl.xml are not correctly rendered in pdf
Hello,
Changwoo Ryu, le jeu. 30 mai 2019 22:22:05 +0900, a ecrit:
> In en/appendix/gpl.xml, ordinary double quotes (") and grave accent
> character (`)
> are used for left single/double quotes. But they are not correctly
> rendered in pdf.
>
> See the English PDF at
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/install.pdf.en.
> Opening double quotes are rendered as right double quotes. And grave accents
> are
> rendered just as grave accents, not a left single quotes.
AIUI we should just replace "" and `' in the xml file with
.
Samuel
Bug#929752: installation-guide: left quotes in gpl.xml are not correctly rendered in pdf
Source: installation-guide
Version: 20190323
Severity: normal
In en/appendix/gpl.xml, ordinary double quotes (") and grave accent
character (`)
are used for left single/double quotes. But they are not correctly
rendered in pdf.
See the English PDF at
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/install.pdf.en.
Opening double quotes are rendered as right double quotes. And grave accents are
rendered just as grave accents, not a left single quotes.
