Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-07-07 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, Jul 06, 2019 at 08:58:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Here is an updated patch incorporating Sean's wording changes as well as > other changes discussed elsewhere on the thread. This reverts most of my > unrelated informative changes for clarity (they can be discussed or made >

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-07-07 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Sat 06 Jul 2019 at 08:58PM -07, Russ Allbery wrote: > diff --git a/policy/ch-source.rst b/policy/ch-source.rst > index ee9270d..93beb4a 100644 > --- a/policy/ch-source.rst > +++ b/policy/ch-source.rst > @@ -259,13 +259,33 @@ files, sockets or setuid or setgid files.. [#]_ > Main

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-07-07 Thread Sam Hartman
My second still applies to the following diff; I agree this is consistent with the discussion so far. diff --git a/policy/ch-source.rst b/policy/ch-source.rst index ee9270d..93beb4a 100644 --- a/policy/ch-source.rst +++ b/policy/ch-source.rst @@ -259,13 +259,33 @@ files, sockets or setuid or

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-07-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Here is an updated patch incorporating Sean's wording changes as well as other changes discussed elsewhere on the thread. This reverts most of my unrelated informative changes for clarity (they can be discussed or made separately) and drops the sample dh makefile in favor of just referencing the

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-27 Thread andreimpopescu
On Vi, 21 iun 19, 13:09:29, Sean Whitton wrote: > > There are sometimes good reasons to use a different approach. For > example, the standard tools for packaging software written in some > languages may use another tool; some rarer packaging patterns, such > as multiple builds of

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-21 Thread Sam Hartman
I believe that both Russ's text and Sean's revised text capture the project level discussions. I also believe that given those discussions the issues are well understood enough for us to move forward relatively quickly if new issues are not raised here. I believe that Russ has adequately

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-21 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Thu 20 Jun 2019 at 08:51am -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > That said, this is way too large of a problem to solve in this bug. I > think we need to stay focused on one section of policy here with a few > tactical fixes so that the text still reads cleanly and not confusingly > (which is

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-21 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Fri 21 Jun 2019 at 01:09PM +01, Sean Whitton wrote: > packaging helper might want to use their new tool. The > recommendation to use ``dh`` does not always apply, and use of > ``dh`` is therefore not required. > > - saying that use of ``dh`` is "not required" is strictly

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-21 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Russ, Sam, On Thu 20 Jun 2019 at 09:01AM -07, Russ Allbery wrote: > Sean Whitton writes: > >> A tiny thing is that you seem to have switched "" for "", >> which seems wrong. > > I'll put this back to args... since it just muddles the discussion, and we > can talk about that separately

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Sean Whitton writes: >> --- a/policy/ch-source.rst >> +++ b/policy/ch-source.rst >> @@ -259,18 +259,49 @@ files, sockets or setuid or setgid files.. [#]_ >> Main building script: ``debian/rules`` >> -- >> >> -This file must be an executable makefile, and

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Bill Allombert writes: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 06:24:45PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> The following targets are required and must be implemented by >> ``debian/rules``: ``clean``, ``binary``, ``binary-arch``, >> -``binary-indep``, ``build``, ``build-arch`` and ``build-indep``. These >>

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-20 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 06:24:45PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > The following targets are required and must be implemented by > ``debian/rules``: ``clean``, ``binary``, ``binary-arch``, > -``binary-indep``, ``build``, ``build-arch`` and ``build-indep``. These > -are the targets called by

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-20 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Sean" == Sean Whitton writes: Sean> Let me try to express what I think the problem is. What the Sean> first sentence says, given the equivalence of RECOMMENDED and Sean> SHOULD noted above, is "you should use dh unless there is a Sean> reason not to use dh". Sean>

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-20 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Russ, On Tue 18 Jun 2019 at 06:24PM -07, Russ Allbery wrote: > For those reading this, note that "recommended" is a documented keyword in > Policy, equivalent to "should." However, it is intentionally weakened > here with the "in the absence of a reason to use a different approach" >

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Sam Hartman writes: > I just published a consensus call on a discussion we had to canvas the > project on the use of Debhelper's dh sequencer. > https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/tslmuif7pwy@suchdamage.org > I'd like to ask the policy editors to facilitate using the normal > process to

Bug#930666: Please document consensus on use of dh sequencer

2019-06-17 Thread Sam Hartman
package: debian-policy Dear policy team: I just published a consensus call on a discussion we had to canvas the project on the use of Debhelper's dh sequencer. https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/tslmuif7pwy@suchdamage.org I'd like to ask the policy editors to facilitate using the normal