Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 10:10 AM wrote: > Hi Jeremy et al., > > On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:35:34 -0400 Jeremy Bicha wrote: > > Fedora's fdk-aac copy does not include newer AAC features which might > > be patent-encumbered. > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/F64JBJI2IZFT2A5QDXGHNMPALCQIVJAX/ > > honestly, I do not read this from the linked discussion. > > With "No other AAC implementations (regardless of copyright license) are > permitted in Fedora at this time." I am sure they refer to the faac and > vo-aacenc packages, respectively (the latter of which is in Debian main > already, BTW). No, the Fedora links refer to fdk-aac by name. There is nothing in those links about faac or vo-aacenc. Thank you, Jeremy Bícha
Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
Hello ftpmasters, First of all, thanks for your hard work! May I ask about the status of the request to move the fdk-aac package into main? A new version moving fdk-aac in main was uploaded in the NEW queue on the 31 Jan 2022, but if I am not wrong, there has been no feedback yet (at least not in #981285). I am asking because regularity, pipewire users ask me why AAC support is disabled in the pipewire package whereas it is enabled in others distributions. I'm sure the decision is not obvious otherwise it would not be the oldest package in the NEW queue :-) but it would be nice to have an update of your point of view on that. A "yes", "no" or "maybe" one of them would be enough :-) Thank you for your time! Best regards, Dylan
Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
Hi Jeremy et al., On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:35:34 -0400 Jeremy Bicha wrote: Fedora's fdk-aac copy does not include newer AAC features which might be patent-encumbered. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/F64JBJI2IZFT2A5QDXGHNMPALCQIVJAX/ honestly, I do not read this from the linked discussion. With "No other AAC implementations (regardless of copyright license) are permitted in Fedora at this time." I am sure they refer to the faac and vo-aacenc packages, respectively (the latter of which is in Debian main already, BTW). - Fabian
Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
> > [1]https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#fdk > This clearly states that the FDK license is incompatible with the GPL. > For pipewire that should be okay, because it is Expat, if nothing makes > the whole thing LGPL. For gstreamer and pulseaudio it's pretty much not > okay, because they are some form of GPL. Fedora's official position is that their copy of fdk-aac to be GPL compatible. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/le...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/OVW25JRWOKOLVMW3XGUX7E4OXFUR2RCG/ Fedora's fdk-aac copy does not include newer AAC features which might be patent-encumbered. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/F64JBJI2IZFT2A5QDXGHNMPALCQIVJAX/ fdk-aac is of interest to me because gnome-remote-desktop 43 will depend on it for audio forwarding to remote clients. gnome-remote-desktop is in main and so we want fdk-aac to be in main too so that all of gnome-remote-desktop's features work as expected. Thank you, Jeremy Bicha
Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
Le 26/01/22 à 11:42, Bastian Blank a écrit : On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 10:51:34AM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote: I would be really interested to see AAC support in pulseaudio/pipewire for bluetooth devices [1]https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#fdk This clearly states that the FDK license is incompatible with the GPL. For pipewire that should be okay, because it is Expat, if nothing makes the whole thing LGPL. For gstreamer and pulseaudio it's pretty much not okay, because they are some form of GPL. Right, pulseaudio daemon is itself LGPL, but it is depending against GPL libraries making the resulting binary GPL gstreamer itself seems to be LGPL though? Being plugins based makes it a bit difficult to see what's actually loaded at runtime
Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
Le 26/01/22 à 11:12, Fabian Greffrath a écrit : Am 26.01.2022 10:51, schrieb Laurent Bigonville: Could anybody of the multimedia team have a look at this? What do you expect from "having a look at this"? I agree that the package should be in main, but in the end it's up to the ftp-masters to decide. Well it was more about someone have a second look at what I'm saying here (and maybe pre-check with d-legal and/or the ftp-masters) before doing the change to move it to main I'll check with the ftp-masters what they prefer and then do the upload if that's OK for you
Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 10:51:34AM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > I would be really interested to see AAC support in pulseaudio/pipewire for > bluetooth devices > > [1]https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#fdk This clearly states that the FDK license is incompatible with the GPL. For pipewire that should be okay, because it is Expat, if nothing makes the whole thing LGPL. For gstreamer and pulseaudio it's pretty much not okay, because they are some form of GPL. Bastian -- Landru! Guide us! -- A Beta 3-oid, "The Return of the Archons", stardate 3157.4
Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
Am 26.01.2022 10:51, schrieb Laurent Bigonville: Could anybody of the multimedia team have a look at this? What do you expect from "having a look at this"? I agree that the package should be in main, but in the end it's up to the ftp-masters to decide. - Fabian
Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
On 2022-01-26 10:51:34 +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > The 28 Jan 2021, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Currently the fdk-aac[0] package is in non-free. > > > > That package would be needed by both pulseaudio (via gstreamer) and > > pipewire to provide AAC support for bluetooth headsets and speakers. > > > > After some discussion with people on #debian-gnome, it looks like that > > the licence of the package might actually be free after all. > > > > Both the GNU project[1] and Fedora[2] are considering it Free. > > > > Could you please have a look at this an maybe move the package to main? > > Could anybody of the multimedia team have a look at this? > > I would be really interested to see AAC support in pulseaudio/pipewire for > bluetooth devices While I've done some of the last uploads, I haven't checked the details of the license. If you have time to work on this, please just go ahead. Cheers > > > > > > Note that this would remove the need of src:gst-plugins-bad1.0-contrib > > that is currently waiting in the NEW queue. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Laurent Bigonville > > > > [0]https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/fdk-aac > > [1]https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#fdk > > [2]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/FDK-AAC -- Sebastian Ramacher signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
The 28 Jan 2021, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Hello, Currently the fdk-aac[0] package is in non-free. That package would be needed by both pulseaudio (via gstreamer) and pipewire to provide AAC support for bluetooth headsets and speakers. After some discussion with people on #debian-gnome, it looks like that the licence of the package might actually be free after all. Both the GNU project[1] and Fedora[2] are considering it Free. Could you please have a look at this an maybe move the package to main? Could anybody of the multimedia team have a look at this? I would be really interested to see AAC support in pulseaudio/pipewire for bluetooth devices Note that this would remove the need of src:gst-plugins-bad1.0-contrib that is currently waiting in the NEW queue. Kind Regards, Laurent Bigonville [0]https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/fdk-aac [1]https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#fdk [2]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/FDK-AAC
Bug#981285: Please move fdk-aac to main
Package: ftp.debian.org Severity: normal X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-multime...@lists.debian.org Subject: Please move fdk-aac to main Package: ftp.debian.org Severity: normal Hello, Currently the fdk-aac[0] package is in non-free. That package would be needed by both pulseaudio (via gstreamer) and pipewire to provide AAC support for bluetooth headsets and speakers. After some discussion with people on #debian-gnome, it looks like that the licence of the package might actually be free after all. Both the GNU project[1] and Fedora[2] are considering it Free. Could you please have a look at this an maybe move the package to main? Note that this would remove the need of src:gst-plugins-bad1.0-contrib that is currently waiting in the NEW queue. Kind Regards, Laurent Bigonville [0] https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/fdk-aac [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#fdk [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/FDK-AAC
