Bug#1104920: gcl: Confusing and incorrect Debconf message
Hello Camm, Am Thu, May 08, 2025 at 02:50:47PM -0400 schrieb Camm Maguire: > Greetings! More on the rest of your note later, but: > > Helge Kreutzmann writes: > > > Hello Camm, > > Yes, I would suggest improving the clarity, especially since "no" is > > mentioned for both cases (see below). > > > >> > You can locally override this choice by setting the GCL_ANSI > >> > environment variable to any string but \"no\" for the ANSI build, > >> > and to \"no\" for the CLtL1 build, e.g. GCL_ANSI=t gcl27. > >> > > >> > 2) The option "no" is *both* for the ANSI build *and* the CLtL1 build? > > The string "no" is not for both cases -- for ANSI, GCL_ANSI can be set > to any string *but* "no" (i.e. *except* "no"); for CLtL1, GCL_ANSI is > set *to* "no". Am I missing something? The German translation is fine. Greetings Helge -- Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [email protected] Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php 64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred Help keep free software "libre": http://www.ffii.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#1104920: gcl: Confusing and incorrect Debconf message
Hello Camm, Am Thu, May 08, 2025 at 02:50:47PM -0400 schrieb Camm Maguire: > Greetings! More on the rest of your note later, but: > > Helge Kreutzmann writes: > > > Hello Camm, > > Yes, I would suggest improving the clarity, especially since "no" is > > mentioned for both cases (see below). > > > >> > You can locally override this choice by setting the GCL_ANSI > >> > environment variable to any string but \"no\" for the ANSI build, > >> > and to \"no\" for the CLtL1 build, e.g. GCL_ANSI=t gcl27. > >> > > >> > 2) The option "no" is *both* for the ANSI build *and* the CLtL1 build? > > The string "no" is not for both cases -- for ANSI, GCL_ANSI can be set > to any string *but* "no" (i.e. *except* "no"); for CLtL1, GCL_ANSI is > set *to* "no". Am I missing something? Ah, now I understand the sentence, sorry, my fault. Sorry. I will align this with the German translation later. Greetings Helge -- Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [email protected] Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php 64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred Help keep free software "libre": http://www.ffii.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#1104920: gcl: Confusing and incorrect Debconf message
Greetings! More on the rest of your note later, but: Helge Kreutzmann writes: > Hello Camm, > Yes, I would suggest improving the clarity, especially since "no" is > mentioned for both cases (see below). > >> > You can locally override this choice by setting the GCL_ANSI >> > environment variable to any string but \"no\" for the ANSI build, >> > and to \"no\" for the CLtL1 build, e.g. GCL_ANSI=t gcl27. >> > >> > 2) The option "no" is *both* for the ANSI build *and* the CLtL1 build? The string "no" is not for both cases -- for ANSI, GCL_ANSI can be set to any string *but* "no" (i.e. *except* "no"); for CLtL1, GCL_ANSI is set *to* "no". Am I missing something? Take care, -- Camm [email protected] == "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah
Bug#1104920: gcl: Confusing and incorrect Debconf message
Greetings, and thanks so much for your feedback! I think the sentence is intelligible, but could be reworded to increase clarity. The meaning is that the user can override the default selection of lisp image in debconf using the GCL_ANSI environment variable at runtime. Setting to "no" will select the CLtL1 image regardless of debconf setting, and setting it to any other string will select the ANSI image regardless of debconf setting. gcl27 (and dependency axiom) will migrate right before the hard freeze on 5/15. Most likely this will have to wait until after the freeze, but if you can convince the release managers to accept another upload containing a rewording before then with no migration timetable penalty, I can certainly help out. Take care, Helge Kreutzmann writes: > Source: gcl27 > Version: 2.7.1-3 > Severity: normal > > > Since the last update you have the follwoing sentence in Debconf: > > You can locally override this choice by setting the GCL_ANSI > environment variable to any string but \"no\" for the ANSI build, > and to \"no\" for the CLtL1 build, e.g. GCL_ANSI=t gcl27. > > 1) This sentence is not clear. > > If I want to override this choice I can set *any* string except "no"? > > So foobar, yes, nein … will override it? > > 2) The option "no" is *both* for the ANSI build *and* the CLtL1 build? > > > I *strongly* suggest running your template over debian-l10n-english > for a quick round of additional review and than issue a call for > translation updates, I can help you on the latter if you are short on > time, especially since the freeze is in progress. > > > -- System Information: > Debian Release: trixie/sid > APT prefers testing > APT policy: (500, 'testing') > Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) > > Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: > LC_ALL set to de_DE.UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set > Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash > Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) -- Camm [email protected] == "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah
Bug#1104920: gcl: Confusing and incorrect Debconf message
Hello Camm, Am Thu, May 08, 2025 at 02:18:56PM -0400 schrieb Camm Maguire: > Greetings, and thanks so much for your feedback! I think the sentence > is intelligible, but could be reworded to increase clarity. The meaning > is that the user can override the default selection of lisp image in > debconf using the GCL_ANSI environment variable at runtime. Setting to > "no" will select the CLtL1 image regardless of debconf setting, and > setting it to any other string will select the ANSI image regardless of > debconf setting. Yes, I would suggest improving the clarity, especially since "no" is mentioned for both cases (see below). > gcl27 (and dependency axiom) will migrate right before the hard freeze > on 5/15. Most likely this will have to wait until after the freeze, but > if you can convince the release managers to accept another upload > containing a rewording before then with no migration timetable penalty, > I can certainly help out. Well, the change requires updates for the Debconf translations. If no further changes are done from your side, I believe the release managers would accept a freeze exception. So I suggest providing the updated template asap and then I could help you by runing a call for translation updates if you want. I can also help you word the request for freeze exception. Waiting "after the freeze" would mean outdated translations in Trixie, which would not be good for the international users. > Helge Kreutzmann writes: > > > Source: gcl27 > > Version: 2.7.1-3 > > Severity: normal > > > > > > Since the last update you have the follwoing sentence in Debconf: > > > > You can locally override this choice by setting the GCL_ANSI > > environment variable to any string but \"no\" for the ANSI build, > > and to \"no\" for the CLtL1 build, e.g. GCL_ANSI=t gcl27. > > > > 1) This sentence is not clear. > > > > If I want to override this choice I can set *any* string except "no"? > > > > So foobar, yes, nein … will override it? > > > > 2) The option "no" is *both* for the ANSI build *and* the CLtL1 build? > > > > > > I *strongly* suggest running your template over debian-l10n-english > > for a quick round of additional review and than issue a call for > > translation updates, I can help you on the latter if you are short on > > time, especially since the freeze is in progress. Greetings Helge -- Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [email protected] Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php 64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred Help keep free software "libre": http://www.ffii.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#1104920: gcl: Confusing and incorrect Debconf message
Source: gcl27 Version: 2.7.1-3 Severity: normal Since the last update you have the follwoing sentence in Debconf: You can locally override this choice by setting the GCL_ANSI environment variable to any string but \"no\" for the ANSI build, and to \"no\" for the CLtL1 build, e.g. GCL_ANSI=t gcl27. 1) This sentence is not clear. If I want to override this choice I can set *any* string except "no"? So foobar, yes, nein … will override it? 2) The option "no" is *both* for the ANSI build *and* the CLtL1 build? I *strongly* suggest running your template over debian-l10n-english for a quick round of additional review and than issue a call for translation updates, I can help you on the latter if you are short on time, especially since the freeze is in progress. -- System Information: Debian Release: trixie/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (500, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL set to de_DE.UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) -- Dr. Helge Kreutzmann [email protected] Dipl.-Phys. http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php 64bit GNU powered gpg signed mail preferred Help keep free software "libre": http://www.ffii.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
