Bug#418377: Don't automatically set highest possible resolution as default
Frans Pop schreef: (Please don't CC me on this BR, I'm not the submitter and I get them through the list anyway.) On Tuesday 10 April 2007 21:41, Brice Goglin wrote: It's hard to find a default value that would make all machines/users happy. The (new?) option TargetRefresh in the Monitor section could be a solution for that. A default value of 75 or even 100 would seem quite sensible to me. This would probably disable the highest resolutions, at least on a lot of real CRTs. Maybe a good idea. With regards, Paul van der Vlis -- http://www.vandervlis.nl/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#418377: Don't automatically set highest possible resolution as default
Brice Goglin schreef: Frans Pop wrote: On Sunday 01 April 2007 14:39, Paul van der Vlis wrote: A very high default resolution: 1920×1200 I think this is the theoretical maximum the CRT monitor (IIyama HM903D/DT) and VGA card, but in practise it was not OK. I think it is better to use a maximum default resolution of 1200x1024 for X, even when the VGA-card and the monitor can do better. Paul, what do you mean by it was not OK? Did you get something on display but it was ugly? Or nothing at all? I got something on my display, but it was really ugly. You cannot read anything for example, and is was moving so you cannot click on something. I have seen the same on one of my own systems. Reassigning the report to the X.Org people for this. In my case the problem is that at that resolution the refresh rate is very low; but another problem can be that everything is just too small for comfort It's hard to find a default value that would make all machines/users happy. Normally you use something conservative in such cases. Wy not make a default of maximum 1280x1024? As long as the X server works, it might be easier to keep the current behavior (use the maximal resolution) and rely on things like XRandR to change the resolution at runtime if needed. Of course, some people might get bored if they have to use xrandr every time they start the X server, and thus will want to update their xorg.conf accordingly. Fortunately, I also expect lots of people to be fine with the maximal resolution. People can always change in runtime to a higher resolution. The other way round is in many cases not possible. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- http://www.vandervlis.nl/
Bug#418377: Don't automatically set highest possible resolution as default
Paul van der Vlis wrote: Normally you use something conservative in such cases. Wy not make a default of maximum 1280x1024? I am not sure it will be enough on old hardware, and Debian runs on lots of old machines. The driver is already involved in the computation of the default resolution, maybe some drivers just need to be more restrictive. Brice -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#418377: Don't automatically set highest possible resolution as default
Paul van der Vlis wrote: Frans Pop schreef: The (new?) option TargetRefresh in the Monitor section could be a solution for that. A default value of 75 or even 100 would seem quite sensible to me. This would probably disable the highest resolutions, at least on a lot of real CRTs. Maybe a good idea. Paul, Since you were the original reporter, could you see what you get if you add this option to the xorg.conf that got generated during the install? By the way, note that with the very recent X servers, you won't need a xorg.conf at all unless you want to tweak things (especially the keyboard map). So, it is not clear that we will generate a xorg.conf just for this new option during the install :) We might want to see what upstream thinks about all this. Brice -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#418377: Don't automatically set highest possible resolution as default
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 10:00 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: People can always change in runtime to a higher resolution. Actually, that's not possible so far (without panning on a larger virtual resolution initially), though it will be with RandR 1.2 and advanced acceleration architectures like EXA. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | http://tungstengraphics.com Libre software enthusiast | Debian, X and DRI developer
Bug#418377: Don't automatically set highest possible resolution as default
Brice Goglin schreef: Paul van der Vlis wrote: Frans Pop schreef: The (new?) option TargetRefresh in the Monitor section could be a solution for that. A default value of 75 or even 100 would seem quite sensible to me. This would probably disable the highest resolutions, at least on a lot of real CRTs. Maybe a good idea. Paul, Since you were the original reporter, could you see what you get if you add this option to the xorg.conf that got generated during the install? I did not install this on my own machine, it was for a customer. It's not so easy for me to do tests there. But I think I have a machine here with the same specs. I will update it in a few weeks from Sarge to Etch, then I can do some tests. By the way, note that with the very recent X servers, you won't need a xorg.conf at all unless you want to tweak things (especially the keyboard map). So, it is not clear that we will generate a xorg.conf just for this new option during the install :) We might want to see what upstream thinks about all this. I can understand. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- http://www.vandervlis.nl/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#418377: Don't automatically set highest possible resolution as default
Frans Pop wrote: On Sunday 01 April 2007 14:39, Paul van der Vlis wrote: A very high default resolution: 1920×1200 I think this is the theoretical maximum the CRT monitor (IIyama HM903D/DT) and VGA card, but in practise it was not OK. I think it is better to use a maximum default resolution of 1200x1024 for X, even when the VGA-card and the monitor can do better. Paul, what do you mean by it was not OK? Did you get something on display but it was ugly? Or nothing at all? I have seen the same on one of my own systems. Reassigning the report to the X.Org people for this. In my case the problem is that at that resolution the refresh rate is very low; but another problem can be that everything is just too small for comfort It's hard to find a default value that would make all machines/users happy. As long as the X server works, it might be easier to keep the current behavior (use the maximal resolution) and rely on things like XRandR to change the resolution at runtime if needed. Of course, some people might get bored if they have to use xrandr every time they start the X server, and thus will want to update their xorg.conf accordingly. Fortunately, I also expect lots of people to be fine with the maximal resolution. Brice
Bug#418377: Don't automatically set highest possible resolution as default
(Please don't CC me on this BR, I'm not the submitter and I get them through the list anyway.) On Tuesday 10 April 2007 21:41, Brice Goglin wrote: It's hard to find a default value that would make all machines/users happy. The (new?) option TargetRefresh in the Monitor section could be a solution for that. A default value of 75 or even 100 would seem quite sensible to me. This would probably disable the highest resolutions, at least on a lot of real CRTs. pgpfE3Zvb74qr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#418377: Don't automatically set highest possible resolution as default
On Sunday 01 April 2007 14:39, Paul van der Vlis wrote: A very high default resolution: 1920×1200 I think this is the theoretical maximum the CRT monitor (IIyama HM903D/DT) and VGA card, but in practise it was not OK. I think it is better to use a maximum default resolution of 1200x1024 for X, even when the VGA-card and the monitor can do better. I have seen the same on one of my own systems. Reassigning the report to the X.Org people for this. In my case the problem is that at that resolution the refresh rate is very low; but another problem can be that everything is just too small for comfort.
