Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 08:26:05PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Donnerstag, 11. März 2010, Julian Andres Klode wrote: python-apt in lenny and squeeze still depend on lsb-release, which is extra. The version in sid (migration due in 5 days) only recommends it. python-apt 0.7.93.2 migrated to testing. So the time is right for promoting apt-listchanges to standard? It seems that it is already standard: j...@hp:~/Desktop/python-apt/debian-sid$ apt-cache show apt-listchanges | grep Priority Priority: standard We still need override: python-support:python/standard override: python-apt:python/standard in order to have correct dependencies. Once python-support supports Python 3, we could switch python-apt to it and drop python-central from standard. -- Julian Andres Klode - Debian Developer, Ubuntu Member See http://wiki.debian.org/JulianAndresKlode and http://jak-linux.org/. pgp5n2xNGBHGL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 06:14:56PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Dienstag, 26. Januar 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: All in all (and unless I've missed something), the choice seems to be relatively self contained. We would just need to promote to standard python-support and python-apt. python-apt in lenny and squeeze still depend on lsb-release, which is extra. The version in sid (migration due in 5 days) only recommends it. python-apt 0.7.93.2 migrated to testing. I have also uploaded 0.7.94 to unstable, which reduces the size by moving the documentation into its own package. This new version depends on python2.6, but this was a mistake and is already fixed in bzr. -- Julian Andres Klode - Debian Developer, Ubuntu Member See http://wiki.debian.org/JulianAndresKlode and http://jak-linux.org/. pgpCCjPfNQci4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
Hi, On Donnerstag, 11. März 2010, Julian Andres Klode wrote: python-apt in lenny and squeeze still depend on lsb-release, which is extra. The version in sid (migration due in 5 days) only recommends it. python-apt 0.7.93.2 migrated to testing. So the time is right for promoting apt-listchanges to standard? cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
Hi, going through the list of RC bugs in squeeze, I noticed #560778: --- From: Ron r...@debian.org To: Debian Bug Tracking System sub...@bugs.debian.org Subject: apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:22:09 +1030 Package: apt-listchanges Version: 2.83+nmu1 Severity: serious Justification: Policy 2.5 Hi, I see from the changelog that moving this to standard priority was discussed on devel nearly 2 years ago now. Currently however the chain of dependencies that it drags in extend all the way down into extra. As much as it would be nice to have this functionality by default, I'm not really sure we also want to drag all of those extra things (and the things that they may later also drag in) to the standard system. If people really want this as standard, perhaps they should consider instead implementing it in a manner that only depends on existing standard packages. Maybe even making it a standard feature of apt itself. Cheers, Ron --- The packages apt-listchanges depends on which are not priority standard are python-support and python-apt. Somehow I doubt that apt-listchanges will be rewritten soon to work without them, so I thought I gather input whether there are objections to change the priority back to optional (or extra?) and be done with the RC bug for squeeze. (For squeeze+1 I'd also like to see apt-listchanges be standard, but still then, somebody would need to do the work...) cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:20:50 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: The packages apt-listchanges depends on which are not priority standard are python-support and python-apt. Somehow I doubt that apt-listchanges will be rewritten soon to work without them, so I thought I gather input whether there are objections to change the priority back to optional (or extra?) and be done with the RC bug for squeeze. I'd object to this. I believe apt-listchanges needs to be in the default install. If that means moving python-support and python-apt to standard as well, that sounds like a pretty cheap price to pay. So I think this bug should be downgraded and reassigned to ftp.d.o. Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org (26/01/2010): I'd object to this. I believe apt-listchanges needs to be in the default install. Seconded. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:49:46PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
I'd object to this. I believe apt-listchanges needs to be in the
default install. If that means moving python-support and python-apt to
standard as well, that sounds like a pretty cheap price to pay. So I
think this bug should be downgraded and reassigned to ftp.d.o.
I concur with this position.
To give some more data, I've been looking at the details of what would
need additional promotion to priority standard, e.g. by transitivity.
python-support depends on:
python, dpkg
- both are already at least priority standard, no issue here
python-apt depends *additionally* on:
python-central,
libapt-inst-libc6.9-6-1.1,
libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.8,
libc6, libgcc1, libstdc++6
- python-central is already priority standard
- libapt-inst-libc6.9-6-1.1 is provided by apt-utils, which is
priority important (no issue then)
- libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.8 is provided by apt (again: no issue)
- the latter 3 are obviously no issue
All in all (and unless I've missed something), the choice seems to be
relatively self contained. We would just need to promote to standard
python-support and python-apt. For reference, on amd64 the total
installed-size of the 2 is about 4 MB (not considering the *.pyc which
will be compiled on the fly by python-support, which I don't know how to
evaluate).
The only apparent resulting silliness of all this would be have two
python runtime helper in standard (-central and -support), but that's
already the case today on all real-life installations which require a
handful of Python application. We won't be adding much more by pushing
that to standard.
Cheers.
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Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 01:33:32PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:49:46PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: I'd object to this. I believe apt-listchanges needs to be in the default install. If that means moving python-support and python-apt to standard as well, that sounds like a pretty cheap price to pay. So I think this bug should be downgraded and reassigned to ftp.d.o. The only apparent resulting silliness of all this would be have two python runtime helper in standard (-central and -support), but that's already the case today on all real-life installations which require a handful of Python application. We won't be adding much more by pushing that to standard. Prominent members of the Python teams reached consensus (AFAICS) that python-support is the better option and there were already proposals to even include its functionallity in dh_python some day. Maybe we can get rid of python-central or python-support (or both) some time after the Squeeze release. I support the suggestion to move python-support and python-apt to standard. Regards Jan -- Jan Dittberner - Debian Developer GPG-key: 4096R/558FB8DD 2009-05-10 B2FF 1D95 CE8F 7A22 DF4C F09B A73E 0055 558F B8DD http://ddportfolio.debian.net/ - http://people.debian.org/~jandd/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:33:32 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: All in all (and unless I've missed something), the choice seems to be relatively self contained. We would just need to promote to standard python-support and python-apt. For reference, on amd64 the total installed-size of the 2 is about 4 MB (not considering the *.pyc which will be compiled on the fly by python-support, which I don't know how to evaluate). you can use sys.dont_write_bytecode = True in python = 2.6 to disable writing of pyc files to conserve disk space. however, startup will always be slower due to the missing precompiled bytecode. mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
Hi, On Dienstag, 26. Januar 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: All in all (and unless I've missed something), the choice seems to be relatively self contained. We would just need to promote to standard python-support and python-apt. python-apt in lenny and squeeze still depend on lsb-release, which is extra. The version in sid (migration due in 5 days) only recommends it. So, what's the correct way to promote python-apt and python-support to standard? Filing bugs against those packages and block this bug by them? regards, Holge, TBTRTFM signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#560778: #560778 apt-listchanges: depends on things in optional, which depend on things in extra
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 18:14:56 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Dienstag, 26. Januar 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: All in all (and unless I've missed something), the choice seems to be relatively self contained. We would just need to promote to standard python-support and python-apt. python-apt in lenny and squeeze still depend on lsb-release, which is extra. The version in sid (migration due in 5 days) only recommends it. So, what's the correct way to promote python-apt and python-support to standard? Filing bugs against those packages and block this bug by them? As I already said, downgrade the severity of this bug, reassign to ftp.d.o, and retitle. Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
