Bug#588812: [DebianGIS] Bug#588812: [DebianGIS-dev] Debian GIS metapackages available [Was: debian-gis_0.0.1_i386.changes ACCEPTED]
Andreas: So what do you think about my suggestions to make Debian GIS more popular than it currently is? come on now, we are all intelligent people worthy of mutual respect. please let's have a reasonable discussions without reverting to lame rhetorical devices and trolling. So what are the suggestion(s) we are talking about?? I take it you just mean to rename pkg-grass-gene...@lists.alioth.d.o to debian...@lists.d.o and pkg-grass-de...@lists.alioth.d.o to debiangis-com...@lists.d.o? anything else? I think it is a shame that Debian GIS is quite unknown to potentially interested persons and please trust me: I asked a lot of people when I did talks about Blends and mentioned Debian GIS as a potential Blend - there was nobody aware of this project whereever I asked. And there where people around which are working with GIS software. any interested person looking at the apt-cache info of any of our packages will clearly see who the maintainer is.. I would not think that renaming the mailing lists would harm our exposure, but I think it's somewhat optimistic to think that that it will bring us too many new committers. i.e. people heavily using the packages are the best dev pool, and they already know about us since looking at a package status or filing a bug. I also continue to think that we should try to involve OSM into the Debian GIS project. the door is always open to anyone who wants to show up.. all are welcome. In my experience working with both sides, there exists a slightly different community between the DebianGIS/OSGeo crowd and the OSM crowd. Not that it is good or bad, and many of us know people from both so it is easy to cc an email when needed, but just my 2c observation. This all makes IMHO a lot of sense to discuss on a mailing list and of course, ... (isn't that what we're doing?) especially if we are in the process of a release mentioning such a mailing list in the release notes would give the project a lot of attention and probably new supporters. anywhere the -k12/-edu, -med, etc. projects are mentioned it makes sense to mention DebianGIS too, with the wiki page as the primary point of contact. I'm not sure how that is not already covered and how any mailing list changes would alter that..? For my part, I do not object to renaming the mailing list to something more relevant, but with 3 conditions: *** the mailing list history is preserved Alexander Wirt wrote: Its no problem to import old mails if the come in a common format like mbox. (I assume the Alioth admins are willing and able to provide the mbox file?) *** Right now this list sends me _zero_ spam. I would be rather unhappy if that were no longer the case and I was forced to set up a local spamassassin instance to deal with it, and have to dig through spam when searching through the archives. *** the pkg-grass-devel list be renamed debiangis-commit (i.e. what it is) to stop the confusion there of humans posting to that list. thanks, Hamish -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#588812: [DebianGIS-dev] Debian GIS metapackages available [Was: debian-gis_0.0.1_i386.changes ACCEPTED]
tag 588812 moreinfo thanks Andreas Tille schrieb am Wednesday, den 14. July 2010: Hi Francesco, On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 03:40:53PM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: I have not specific preferences about lists, I simply would note that pkg-grass-general/devel were born at the time to manage a low traffic packaging oriented list and listmasters had the opinion that alioth lists were appropriate for that. I hope that listmasters will agree that this is not the case any more. That said, I would also note that current -general list is closed to subscribers, while debian-gis would be open to the world (as generally done for all listmasters lists), with obvious consequence for subscribers about spamming... The pros and cons are heavily discussed in the past and I do not think it makes sense to repeat this discussion. I personally get about one or two mails per month from each mailinlist @l.d.o thanks to the spamfilters the listmasters applied (thanks to the effort of listmasters!) and local SPAM filters. That's IMHO acceptable. I take your mail as somethink like it is fine for me to create the list if you care for it and thus I hope the mailing list can be created soon. Question to listmasters: Is it possible to take over the content of the list archive of pkg-grass-general to debian-gis archive? I guess the different listservers might make this hard and I do not really want to put this on you. But if there would be a reasonable way to do this it would be probably a good idea. Its no problem to import old mails if the come in a common format like mbox. If you really want this list get some seconders and complete the request as listed in: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list. Alex - Debian Listmaster -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#588812: [DebianGIS-dev] Debian GIS metapackages available [Was: debian-gis_0.0.1_i386.changes ACCEPTED]
Hi Francesco, On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 03:40:53PM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: I have not specific preferences about lists, I simply would note that pkg-grass-general/devel were born at the time to manage a low traffic packaging oriented list and listmasters had the opinion that alioth lists were appropriate for that. I hope that listmasters will agree that this is not the case any more. That said, I would also note that current -general list is closed to subscribers, while debian-gis would be open to the world (as generally done for all listmasters lists), with obvious consequence for subscribers about spamming... The pros and cons are heavily discussed in the past and I do not think it makes sense to repeat this discussion. I personally get about one or two mails per month from each mailinlist @l.d.o thanks to the spamfilters the listmasters applied (thanks to the effort of listmasters!) and local SPAM filters. That's IMHO acceptable. I take your mail as somethink like it is fine for me to create the list if you care for it and thus I hope the mailing list can be created soon. Question to listmasters: Is it possible to take over the content of the list archive of pkg-grass-general to debian-gis archive? I guess the different listservers might make this hard and I do not really want to put this on you. But if there would be a reasonable way to do this it would be probably a good idea. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
