Bug#727708: upstadt vs. systemd: events vs. dependencies

2014-01-22 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 21 janvier 2014 14:00 CET, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org : At this point of the discussion, stating that one aspect didn't get the attention it should get. sounds a lot like I didn't bother to search the archives. :-) The fact that Upstart's proponents didn't outline important bugs in

Bug#727708: upstadt vs. systemd: events vs. dependencies

2014-01-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 09:36:50AM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: I particularly hate the last one that bite me several times: you make one mistake (expect fork instead of expect daemon) and you need to either reboot your system or know this script:

Bug#727708: upstadt vs. systemd: events vs. dependencies

2014-01-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, in this debate, enlightening *ahem* as it was, I think that one aspect didn't get the attention it should get. (IMHO.) systemd uses dependencies. Upstart uses events. Dependencies are static. My job's dependencies are either fulfilled, or not. This means that troubleshooting is easy -- I

Bug#727708: upstadt vs. systemd: events vs. dependencies

2014-01-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 21/01/14 at 12:27 +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, in this debate, enlightening *ahem* as it was, I think that one aspect didn't get the attention it should get. (IMHO.) systemd uses dependencies. Upstart uses events. This was already discussed in the following subthreads: