Bug#767043: ESS should not depend on R

2014-10-28 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
severity 767043 minor
thanks

 The vast majority of users of ESS deploy it with R, and expect M-x R to work.

AFAIK, that's what Recommends is for -- install by default, don't prevent
uninstallation.  (The rare user who knows about --no-install-recommends
probably knows what he's doing.)

 the minor inconvenience you experience via the forced install of
 r-base-core.

Fair enough.

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Bug#767043: ESS should not depend on R

2014-10-28 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel

On 28 October 2014 at 08:59, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
| severity 767043 minor
| thanks
| 
|  The vast majority of users of ESS deploy it with R, and expect M-x R to 
work.
| 
| AFAIK, that's what Recommends is for -- install by default, don't prevent
| uninstallation.  (The rare user who knows about --no-install-recommends
| probably knows what he's doing.)

I concede the point. I just looked it up for confirmation.
 
|  the minor inconvenience you experience via the forced install of
|  r-base-core.
| 
| Fair enough.

The difference is that Depends implies use for configuration which is not
true.  Recommends is for strong not absolute dependency and list packages
... found tohether ... in all but unusual installations.

As you pointed out, this fits the issue. I'll make the change.

Dirk

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Bug#767043: ESS should not depend on R

2014-10-27 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Package: ess
Version: 14.09-1

Package ess depends on r-base-core, which is a 19MB download, and rather
useless for people programming in Julia.  Please downgrade this to
a Recommends.

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Bug#767043: ESS should not depend on R

2014-10-27 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel

On 28 October 2014 at 00:33, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
| Package: ess
| Version: 14.09-1
| 
| Package ess depends on r-base-core, which is a 19MB download, and rather
| useless for people programming in Julia.  Please downgrade this to
| a Recommends.

I disagree.

Dirk

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Bug#767043: ESS should not depend on R

2014-10-27 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel

On 28 October 2014 at 01:54, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
|  | Package ess depends on r-base-core, which is a 19MB download, and rather
|  | useless for people programming in Julia.  Please downgrade this to
|  | a Recommends.
| 
|  I disagree.
| 
| May I most humbly request a slightly more verbose expression of your opinion?

The vast majority of users of ESS deploy it with R, and expect M-x R to work.

That is worth more (due to the number of potential users) than the minor
inconvenience you experience via the forced install of r-base-core.  

Dirk

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Bug#767043: ESS should not depend on R

2014-10-27 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
 | Package ess depends on r-base-core, which is a 19MB download, and rather
 | useless for people programming in Julia.  Please downgrade this to
 | a Recommends.

 I disagree.

May I most humbly request a slightly more verbose expression of your opinion?

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