Bug#828052: Please update Ports wiki page

2016-07-13 Thread Holger Wansing 
Hi,

Paul Wise  wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-07-10 at 20:40 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
> 
> > I have attached a new diff and the new resulting html file.
> 
> This is a great band-aid to the current situation, thanks.

Committed.


Holger


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Bug#828052: Please update Ports wiki page

2016-07-11 Thread Paul Wise 
On Sun, 2016-07-10 at 20:40 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:

> I have attached a new diff and the new resulting html file.

This is a great band-aid to the current situation, thanks.

Longer-term, we should look at making aspects of it automatically
generated based on the list of arches in the Release files of the main
and ports archives. Otherwise it will continually require patches.

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Bug#828052: Please update Ports wiki page

2016-07-10 Thread Holger Wansing 
Hi,

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz  wrote:
> On 07/08/2016 07:20 PM, Holger Wansing wrote:
> > You are right, strictly spoken.
> > But there are several "old and removed" ports in the "unofficial ports" 
> > section,
> > like alpha or arm or hppa.
> > To solve this, we would need to create a third section like "Old/Removed 
> > ports",
> > or the like.
> 
> Both alpha and hppa still exist, they have just become ports. Neither ia64 nor
> sparc exist anywhere. That's a difference.
> 
> To see what targets in Debian are currently supported, both as release 
> architectures
> and as ports, look at a random buildd page [1]. As you can see, neither 
> "sparc"
> nor "ia64" are nowhere to be found while "alpha", "hppa" and "sparc64" are
> preset - every architecture that is grayed out is currently unofficial, thus
> a ports architecture.

Ok, understood.
To deal with this, I propose to change
"List of unofficial ports" into "List of unofficial/old ports".


I have attached a new diff and the new resulting html file.
Again the changings as an overview:

- "List of unofficial ports" -> "List of unofficial/old ports"
- move ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, s390 and sparc to the 
"unofficial/old 
  ports" section
- set ia64 from "released" to "discontinued" and added a sentence to document
  this change.
- kfreebsd-amd64: added a sentence to document the current, non-official status
- kfreebsd-i386: added a sentence to document the current, non-official status
- set m68k from "discontinued/being revived" to "in progress"
- set s390 from "released" to "replaced by s390x" and added a sentence to 
  document this change.
- set sparc from "released" to "replaced by sparc64" and added a sentence to 
  document this change.
- sh: changed port name from "sh" to "sh4". And added a sentence to mention
  the J-Core processor.


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Index: english/ports/index.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/ports/index.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.129
diff -u -r1.129 index.wml
--- english/ports/index.wml	8 Jun 2016 17:29:42 -	1.129
+++ english/ports/index.wml	10 Jul 2016 18:38:32 -
@@ -97,32 +97,6 @@
 released
 
 
-ia64
-Intel Itanium IA-64
-First officially released with Debian 3.0. This is a port to Intel's
-first 64-bit architecture. Note: this should not be confused with the
-latest Intel 64-bit extensions for Pentium 4 and Celeron processors,
-called Intel 64; for these, see the AMD64 port.
-released
-
-
-kfreebsd-amd64
-64-bit PC (amd64)
-First officially released with Debian 6.0 as a technology preview and
-the first non-Linux port released by Debian. Port of the Debian GNU
-system to the kernel of FreeBSD.
-released
-
-
-kfreebsd-i386
-32-bit PC (i386)
-First officially released with Debian 6.0 as a technology preview and
-the first non-Linux port released by Debian. Port of the Debian GNU
-system to the kernel of FreeBSD.
-released
-
-
 mips
 MIPS (big-endian mode)
 First officially released with Debian 3.0. Debian is being ported to
@@ -154,30 +128,15 @@
 released
 
 
-s390
-S/390 and zSeries
-First officially released with Debian 3.0. This is a port to IBM
-S/390 servers.
-released
-
-
-s390x
+s390x
 System z
-First officially released with Debian 7.0. A 64-bit userland for IBM System z mainframes
+First officially released with Debian 7.0. A 64-bit userland for IBM System z mainframes.
 released
 
-
-sparc
-Sun SPARC
-First officially released with Debian 2.1. This port runs on the Sun
-UltraSPARC series of workstations, as well as some of their successors
-in the sun4 architectures.
-released
-
 
 
 
-List of unofficial ports
+List of unofficial/old ports
 
 
 
@@ -234,6 +193,34 @@
 in progress
 
 
+ia64
+Intel Itanium IA-64
+First officially released with Debian 3.0. This is a port to Intel's
+first 64-bit architecture. Note: this should not be confused with the
+latest Intel 64-bit extensions for Pentium 4 and Celeron processors,
+called Intel 64; for these, see the AMD64 port. With Debian 8 ia64 was
+removed from the release due to insufficient developer support.
+discontinued
+
+
+kfreebsd-amd64
+64-bit PC (amd64)
+First officially released with Debian 6.0 as a technology preview and
+the first non-Linux port released by Debian. Port of the Debian GNU
+system to the kernel of FreeBSD. Is no longer part of the official release
+since Debian 8.
+in progress
+
+
+kfreebsd-i386
+32-bit PC (i386)
+First officially released with Debian 6.0 as a technology preview and
+the first non-Linux port released by Debian. Port of the Debian GNU
+system to the kernel of FreeBSD. Is no longer part of the official release
+since Debian 8.
+in progress
+
+

Bug#828052: Please update Ports wiki page

2016-07-08 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 
On 07/08/2016 07:20 PM, Holger Wansing wrote:
> You are right, strictly spoken.
> But there are several "old and removed" ports in the "unofficial ports" 
> section,
> like alpha or arm or hppa.
> To solve this, we would need to create a third section like "Old/Removed 
> ports",
> or the like.

Both alpha and hppa still exist, they have just become ports. Neither ia64 nor
sparc exist anywhere. That's a difference.

To see what targets in Debian are currently supported, both as release 
architectures
and as ports, look at a random buildd page [1]. As you can see, neither "sparc"
nor "ia64" are nowhere to be found while "alpha", "hppa" and "sparc64" are
preset - every architecture that is grayed out is currently unofficial, thus
a ports architecture.

Adrian
(a very active porter)

> [1] https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=base-files=sid

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Bug#828052: Please update Ports wiki page

2016-07-08 Thread Jeffrey Walton 
> I think the status field saying "released", "discontinued" etc provides the 
> information with the current layout.
>
> Thanks for caring about the ports page. I marked the patches for review (in 
> my TODO) but couldn't find time :/
>

Convert it to a wiki page.

The work would have been done weeks ago without wasting roughly 40 or
60 man hours.

Jeff

Bug#828052: Please update Ports wiki page

2016-07-08 Thread Laura Arjona Reina 
Hi 

On 8 de julio de 2016 19:20:13 GMT+02:00, Holger Wansing 
 wrote:
>Hi,
>
>John Paul Adrian Glaubitz  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Holger Wansing
> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > Holger Wansing  wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >> 
>> >> Paul Wise  wrote:
>>  On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>>  
>>  The Ports wiki page (https://www.debian.org/ports/) appears to
>be out
>>  of date. Its causing confusion among users and maintainers. For
>>  example, a few bugs were reported for Sparc even though Tokarev,
>a
>>  QEMU--static maintainer, states its no longer supported.
>>  
>>  Spark should probably be labelled as discontinued.
>> >>> 
>> >>> I've CCed the SPARC porters, hopefully they can come up with a
>patch for this.
>> >>> 
>> >>> I expect they would be interested to hear about bugs in qemu so
>they
>> >>> can fix them.
>> >> 
>> >> 1. Please note that the page is not a wiki, as stated above.
>> >> 
>> >> 2. And additionally to the issues mentioned above, it's even
>worse:
>> >> 
>> >>   2.1 There are more archs listed as "released", while they got
>> >>   removed from Jessie: ia64, kFreeBSD 64-bit, kFreeBSD 32-bit,
>
>> >>   s390, and the already mentioned sparc.
>> > 
>> > I cooked a patch, to deal with all the suggestions made here:
>> > 
>> > - move ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, s390 and sparc to the
>"unofficial 
>> >  ports" section
>> 
>> ia64 isn't even an unofficial port, it was dropped completely. I
>think we even 
>> dropped support for it in src:glibc.
>> 
>> sparc has also been removed completely. It was replaced by sparc64.
>
>You are right, strictly spoken.
>But there are several "old and removed" ports in the "unofficial ports"
>section,
>like alpha or arm or hppa.
>To solve this, we would need to create a third section like
>"Old/Removed ports",
>or the like.
>

I think the status field saying "released", "discontinued" etc provides the 
information with the current layout.

Thanks for caring about the ports page. I marked the patches for review (in my 
TODO) but couldn't find time :/

Cheers

>
>Holger
>
>> > - set ia64 from "released" to "discontinued" and added a sentence
>to document
>> >  this change.
>> > - kfreebsd-amd64: added a sentence to document the current,
>non-official status
>> > - kfreebsd-i386: added a sentence to document the current,
>non-official status
>> > - set m68k from "discontinued/being revived" to "in progress"
>> > - set s390 from "released" to "replaced by s390x" and added a
>sentence to 
>> >  document this change.
>> > - sh: changed port name from "sh" to "sh4". And added a sentence to
>mention
>> >  the J-Core processor.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > A patch is attached, as well as the locally build html page, how it
>would
>> > look like.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Comments?
>> > 
>> > Holger
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > 
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>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> 

Laura Arjona Reina
https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona

Bug#828052: Please update Ports wiki page

2016-07-08 Thread Holger Wansing 
Hi,

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz  wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Holger Wansing  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Holger Wansing  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Paul Wise  wrote:
>  On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>  
>  The Ports wiki page (https://www.debian.org/ports/) appears to be out
>  of date. Its causing confusion among users and maintainers. For
>  example, a few bugs were reported for Sparc even though Tokarev, a
>  QEMU--static maintainer, states its no longer supported.
>  
>  Spark should probably be labelled as discontinued.
> >>> 
> >>> I've CCed the SPARC porters, hopefully they can come up with a patch for 
> >>> this.
> >>> 
> >>> I expect they would be interested to hear about bugs in qemu so they
> >>> can fix them.
> >> 
> >> 1. Please note that the page is not a wiki, as stated above.
> >> 
> >> 2. And additionally to the issues mentioned above, it's even worse:
> >> 
> >>   2.1 There are more archs listed as "released", while they got
> >>   removed from Jessie: ia64, kFreeBSD 64-bit, kFreeBSD 32-bit, 
> >>   s390, and the already mentioned sparc.
> > 
> > I cooked a patch, to deal with all the suggestions made here:
> > 
> > - move ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, s390 and sparc to the 
> > "unofficial 
> >  ports" section
> 
> ia64 isn't even an unofficial port, it was dropped completely. I think we 
> even 
> dropped support for it in src:glibc.
> 
> sparc has also been removed completely. It was replaced by sparc64.

You are right, strictly spoken.
But there are several "old and removed" ports in the "unofficial ports" section,
like alpha or arm or hppa.
To solve this, we would need to create a third section like "Old/Removed ports",
or the like.


Holger

> > - set ia64 from "released" to "discontinued" and added a sentence to 
> > document
> >  this change.
> > - kfreebsd-amd64: added a sentence to document the current, non-official 
> > status
> > - kfreebsd-i386: added a sentence to document the current, non-official 
> > status
> > - set m68k from "discontinued/being revived" to "in progress"
> > - set s390 from "released" to "replaced by s390x" and added a sentence to 
> >  document this change.
> > - sh: changed port name from "sh" to "sh4". And added a sentence to mention
> >  the J-Core processor.
> > 
> > 
> > A patch is attached, as well as the locally build html page, how it would
> > look like.
> > 
> > 
> > Comments?
> > 
> > Holger
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> 


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Bug#828052: Please update Ports wiki page

2016-07-07 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 


> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Holger Wansing  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Holger Wansing  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Paul Wise  wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
 
 The Ports wiki page (https://www.debian.org/ports/) appears to be out
 of date. Its causing confusion among users and maintainers. For
 example, a few bugs were reported for Sparc even though Tokarev, a
 QEMU--static maintainer, states its no longer supported.
 
 Spark should probably be labelled as discontinued.
>>> 
>>> I've CCed the SPARC porters, hopefully they can come up with a patch for 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> I expect they would be interested to hear about bugs in qemu so they
>>> can fix them.
>> 
>> 1. Please note that the page is not a wiki, as stated above.
>> 
>> 2. And additionally to the issues mentioned above, it's even worse:
>> 
>>   2.1 There are more archs listed as "released", while they got
>>   removed from Jessie: ia64, kFreeBSD 64-bit, kFreeBSD 32-bit, 
>>   s390, and the already mentioned sparc.
> 
> I cooked a patch, to deal with all the suggestions made here:
> 
> - move ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, s390 and sparc to the "unofficial 
>  ports" section

ia64 isn't even an unofficial port, it was dropped completely. I think we even 
dropped support for it in src:glibc.

sparc has also been removed completely. It was replaced by sparc64.

> - set ia64 from "released" to "discontinued" and added a sentence to document
>  this change.
> - kfreebsd-amd64: added a sentence to document the current, non-official 
> status
> - kfreebsd-i386: added a sentence to document the current, non-official status
> - set m68k from "discontinued/being revived" to "in progress"
> - set s390 from "released" to "replaced by s390x" and added a sentence to 
>  document this change.
> - sh: changed port name from "sh" to "sh4". And added a sentence to mention
>  the J-Core processor.
> 
> 
> A patch is attached, as well as the locally build html page, how it would
> look like.
> 
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Holger
> 
> 
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> 
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>

Bug#828052: Please update Ports wiki page

2016-07-07 Thread Holger Wansing 
Hi,

Holger Wansing  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Paul Wise  wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > 
> > > The Ports wiki page (https://www.debian.org/ports/) appears to be out
> > > of date. Its causing confusion among users and maintainers. For
> > > example, a few bugs were reported for Sparc even though Tokarev, a
> > > QEMU--static maintainer, states its no longer supported.
> > >
> > > Spark should probably be labelled as discontinued.
> > 
> > I've CCed the SPARC porters, hopefully they can come up with a patch for 
> > this.
> > 
> > I expect they would be interested to hear about bugs in qemu so they
> > can fix them.
> 
> 1. Please note that the page is not a wiki, as stated above.
> 
> 2. And additionally to the issues mentioned above, it's even worse:
> 
>2.1 There are more archs listed as "released", while they got
>removed from Jessie: ia64, kFreeBSD 64-bit, kFreeBSD 32-bit, 
>s390, and the already mentioned sparc.

I cooked a patch, to deal with all the suggestions made here:

- move ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, s390 and sparc to the "unofficial 
  ports" section
- set ia64 from "released" to "discontinued" and added a sentence to document
  this change.
- kfreebsd-amd64: added a sentence to document the current, non-official status
- kfreebsd-i386: added a sentence to document the current, non-official status
- set m68k from "discontinued/being revived" to "in progress"
- set s390 from "released" to "replaced by s390x" and added a sentence to 
  document this change.
- sh: changed port name from "sh" to "sh4". And added a sentence to mention
  the J-Core processor.


A patch is attached, as well as the locally build html page, how it would
look like.


Comments?

Holger


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Index: english/ports/index.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/ports/index.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.129
diff -u -r1.129 index.wml
--- english/ports/index.wml	8 Jun 2016 17:29:42 -	1.129
+++ english/ports/index.wml	7 Jul 2016 18:52:02 -
@@ -97,32 +97,6 @@
 released
 
 
-ia64
-Intel Itanium IA-64
-First officially released with Debian 3.0. This is a port to Intel's
-first 64-bit architecture. Note: this should not be confused with the
-latest Intel 64-bit extensions for Pentium 4 and Celeron processors,
-called Intel 64; for these, see the AMD64 port.
-released
-
-
-kfreebsd-amd64
-64-bit PC (amd64)
-First officially released with Debian 6.0 as a technology preview and
-the first non-Linux port released by Debian. Port of the Debian GNU
-system to the kernel of FreeBSD.
-released
-
-
-kfreebsd-i386
-32-bit PC (i386)
-First officially released with Debian 6.0 as a technology preview and
-the first non-Linux port released by Debian. Port of the Debian GNU
-system to the kernel of FreeBSD.
-released
-
-
 mips
 MIPS (big-endian mode)
 First officially released with Debian 3.0. Debian is being ported to
@@ -154,26 +128,11 @@
 released
 
 
-s390
-S/390 and zSeries
-First officially released with Debian 3.0. This is a port to IBM
-S/390 servers.
-released
-
-
-s390x
+s390x
 System z
-First officially released with Debian 7.0. A 64-bit userland for IBM System z mainframes
+First officially released with Debian 7.0. A 64-bit userland for IBM System z mainframes.
 released
 
-
-sparc
-Sun SPARC
-First officially released with Debian 2.1. This port runs on the Sun
-UltraSPARC series of workstations, as well as some of their successors
-in the sun4 architectures.
-released
-
 
 
 
@@ -234,6 +193,34 @@
 in progress
 
 
+ia64
+Intel Itanium IA-64
+First officially released with Debian 3.0. This is a port to Intel's
+first 64-bit architecture. Note: this should not be confused with the
+latest Intel 64-bit extensions for Pentium 4 and Celeron processors,
+called Intel 64; for these, see the AMD64 port. With Debian 8 ia64 was
+removed from the release due to insufficient developer support.
+discontinued
+
+
+kfreebsd-amd64
+64-bit PC (amd64)
+First officially released with Debian 6.0 as a technology preview and
+the first non-Linux port released by Debian. Port of the Debian GNU
+system to the kernel of FreeBSD. Is no longer part of the official release
+since Debian 8.
+in progress
+
+
+kfreebsd-i386
+32-bit PC (i386)
+First officially released with Debian 6.0 as a technology preview and
+the first non-Linux port released by Debian. Port of the Debian GNU
+system to the kernel of FreeBSD. Is no longer part of the official release
+since Debian 8.
+in progress
+
+
 http://www.linux-m32r.org/;>m32
 M32R
 Port to the 32-bit RISC microprocessor of Renesas Technology.
@@ -249,7 +236,7 @@
 of