Bug#482915: texlive-doc-en: No license info for some fontinst documentation
Hi, Frank Küster scripsit (02.07.2008 20:45) I thought that there is an automatic way of updating texmf trees from CTAN? Don't your scripts check whether anything has been uploaded to CTAN:/tex-archive/fonts/utilities/fontinst/doc? And if they to, how do you exclude the talks directory? And if they do not - there are some automatic updates, aren't there - why is this part not covered? Well, nothing is really automatic in the CTAN - TL process. There are scripts that make the process semi-automated, namely one checks for CTAN updates and then another one is manually called to convert the trees from ctan form to tds form. Perhaps the most interesting script for you is ctan2tds, which sometimes has messages like die skipping, nosell', thought is is not really intended to be readable. However some things are sometimes updated completely manually, for various reasons, such as last update was long before the current mechanism began, or it takes more time to write the relevant script that to do it manually, or whatever. Looks like the talks subdir of fontinst is in this case: if I would update fontinst now using the scripts, it would no be removed. (By the way, this is a problem, since it means info has been lost about why this directory was previously excluded.) Hope this answers your question: in general as well as this particular case, there's no way to be sure what is excluded from the ctan - tl process (or changed in this process) and why, but in many cases the ctan2tds is your best chance if you manage to read it. Manuel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#482915: texlive-doc-en: No license info for some fontinst documentation
Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mi, 25 Jun 2008, Frank Küster wrote: Can you take the opportunity to show me how to find out myself why this is not copied to Master/texmf-dist/doc/fontinst/? Why, because we (Karl, me, whoever) didn't include it into the TeX Live repository? I am not sure what you mean with show me I thought that there is an automatic way of updating texmf trees from CTAN? Don't your scripts check whether anything has been uploaded to CTAN:/tex-archive/fonts/utilities/fontinst/doc? And if they to, how do you exclude the talks directory? And if they do not - there are some automatic updates, aren't there - why is this part not covered? Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#482915: texlive-doc-en: No license info for some fontinst documentation
Hi Frank, I was reading through this last open RC bug in texlive-doc (the catalogue is already blacklisted) On Di, 27 Mai 2008, Frank Küster wrote: But there's also files in the talks subdirectory for which no source is Which talks subdirectory? There is non in TeX Live, or do I miss something? roadmap.eps has been created with MetaPost - do you happen to have the That is the only question ... As for roadmap.eps, the diagram was presumably created by Alan Jeffrey and has been part of earlier fontinst distributions since 1995. The orignal source of the EPS may have been created with xfig, since the archive copy of fontinst-1.504 contains a file roadmap.fig along with roadmap.eps, which can be found here: ftp://ftp.tug.org/historic/fonts/utilities/fontinst/fontinst-1.504/doc/ Found that, and it is the very same eps, so the source is here. What should we do now? I guess - honestly - that we will not reach ALan Jeffrey about that, we are talking about 1995!!! I could simply include the roadmap.fig and so it be with it. What do you think? Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Vienna University of Technology Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- QUABBS (pl.n.) The substances which emerge when you squeeze a blackhead. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#482915: texlive-doc-en: No license info for some fontinst documentation
Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Frank, I was reading through this last open RC bug in texlive-doc (the catalogue is already blacklisted) On Di, 27 Mai 2008, Frank Küster wrote: But there's also files in the talks subdirectory for which no source is Which talks subdirectory? There is non in TeX Live, or do I miss something? It used to be there in TL2005, but now it seems it is gone. On CTAN, it is in http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/utilities/fontinst/doc/talks/ Can you take the opportunity to show me how to find out myself why this is not copied to Master/texmf-dist/doc/fontinst/? ftp://ftp.tug.org/historic/fonts/utilities/fontinst/fontinst-1.504/doc/ Found that, and it is the very same eps, so the source is here. What should we do now? I guess - honestly - that we will not reach ALan Jeffrey about that, we are talking about 1995!!! I could simply include the roadmap.fig and so it be with it. I didn't read the fontinst guide, but I guess the content of this roadmap file is just repeating in graphical form what the doc talks about, so there isn't any copyrightable creative work in this. The graphical representation, on the other hand, might be protected by IP law. I wouldn't want to judge this. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#482915: texlive-doc-en: No license info for some fontinst documentation
On Mi, 25 Jun 2008, Frank Küster wrote: Can you take the opportunity to show me how to find out myself why this is not copied to Master/texmf-dist/doc/fontinst/? Why, because we (Karl, me, whoever) didn't include it into the TeX Live repository? I am not sure what you mean with show me The talks directory is not only not present in the Debian packages, but also in upstream TL 2007 Master. So well. The graphical representation, on the other hand, might be protected by IP law. I will (would?) take a practical POV: All the documents/files are free, that one .fig is missing a statement, so what. I will (would?) add the .fig, and close this bug. WDYT? Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Vienna University of Technology Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- SNITTERFIELD (n.) Office noticeboard on which snitters (q.v.), cards saying 'You don't have to be mad to work here, but if you are it helps !!!' and slightly smutty postcards from Ibiza get pinned up by snitterbies (q.v.) --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#482915: texlive-doc-en: No license info for some fontinst documentation
From: Ulrik Vieth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fontinst] License of the fontinst documentation To: Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:53:50 +0100 Taco Hoekwater wrote: Frank Küster wrote: But there's also files in the talks subdirectory for which no source is currently available. Do you know about the license situation for them, or should I try to contact Ulrik or Taco? And, for that matter, I guess roadmap.eps has been created with MetaPost - do you happen to have the sources available? I completely forgot I helped with that talk. The documents were prepared by Ulrik (I do not have sources and am not an author). Hi Frank, I prepared the documents for a presentation at EuroTeX 99 and Taco assisted with the presentation. Therefore his name was on it as well. As for licensing, I never bothered to define any specifc license for the documents. As far as I know, they have been available on CTAN since fontinst-prerelease-1.914 in November 1999. (I just checked the CTAN CD 2000, which shows a filedate of Nov 16 1999 for doc/talks.) As for sources, I may still have them somewhere on my local machine, but they were never released, partly because the fonts required to typeset the documents are non-free (Lucida Bright) and partly because the PDF doucments are the final form intended for consumption. As for roadmap.eps, the diagram was presumably created by Alan Jeffrey and has been part of earlier fontinst distributions since 1995. The orignal source of the EPS may have been created with xfig, since the archive copy of fontinst-1.504 contains a file roadmap.fig along with roadmap.eps, which can be found here: ftp://ftp.tug.org/historic/fonts/utilities/fontinst/fontinst-1.504/doc/ Please let me know, if you need and further statement of clarification regarding the licensing isseue. Ulrik Vieth -- Frank Küster Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#482915: texlive-doc-en: No license info for some fontinst documentation
Package: texlive-doc-en Version: 2007-4 Severity: serious Here's one more bug taken over from tetex-doc. Since it's hidden in a nonfreeness collection bugreport, and most of it has been resolved, I create a new report, forwarding the small number of relevant mails. Actually, back then we already had contacted the upstream author, and he had asked what he needs to do to clear up the license, and received an answer - but then we didn't follow up... From: Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: License of the fontinst documentation To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:00:04 +0100 Dear fontinst maintenance team, upon verifying the license information for various packages on CTAN and in Debian's teTeX package, I found that the license information for fontinst is incomplete. Every source file contains a LPPL version whatever or later statement, but the pure documentation files don't contain such a license statement. I assume, as far as the TeX sources are included, they are under the same license, LPPL? But there's also files in the talks subdirectory for which no source is currently available. Do you know about the license situation for them, or should I try to contact Ulrik or Taco? And, for that matter, I guess roadmap.eps has been created with MetaPost - do you happen to have the sources available? Many thanks in advance, Frank -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers stable APT policy: (500, 'stable'), (99, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-6-686 Locale: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (charmap=ISO-8859-15) Versions of packages texlive-doc-en depends on: ii texlive-common2007-14TeX Live: Base component ii texlive-doc-base 2007-4 TeX Live: Base documentation texlive-doc-en recommends no packages. Versions of packages tex-common depends on: ii debconf 1.5.11etch1 Debian configuration management sy ii ucf 2.0020 Update Configuration File: preserv Versions of packages texlive-doc-en is related to: pn tetex-basenone (no description available) ii tetex-bin 2007-14TeX Live: teTeX transitional packa ii tetex-extra 2007-14TeX Live: teTeX transitional packa ii tex-common1.10 common infrastructure for building -- debconf information: tex-common/check_texmf_wrong: tex-common/check_texmf_missing: -- Frank Küster Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
