Bug#771753: maintainer scripts handling symlink to directory conversion
Hi, I had a look into #771753 and noticed that the proper maintscripts that should deal with the issue are included into the packaging. However, I can confirm that it only works for package libavifile-0.7c2 but not for libavifile-0.7-bin and libavifile-0.7-dev. I had tried whether the superflous '-- $@' at the end of these scripts which is rather added by debhelper (see debdiff extract below) might have some influence but it does not. Does anybody have a clue why symlink_to_dir works perfectly for libavifile-0.7c2 but not for libavifile-0.7-bin and libavifile-0.7-dev? Kind regards Andreas. diff -Nru avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-bin.maintscript avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-bin.maintscript --- avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-bin.maintscript 2014-10-20 13:28:43.0 +0200 +++ avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-bin.maintscript 2014-12-12 11:16:47.0 +0100 @@ -1 +1 @@ -symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ -- $@ +symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ diff -Nru avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7c2.maintscript avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7c2.maintscript --- avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7c2.maintscript 2014-10-20 13:28:43.0 +0200 +++ avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7c2.maintscript 2014-12-12 11:16:59.0 +0100 @@ -1 +1 @@ -symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7c2/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ -- $@ +symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7c2/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ diff -Nru avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-dev.maintscript avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-dev.maintscript --- avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-dev.maintscript 2014-10-20 13:28:43.0 +0200 +++ avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-dev.maintscript 2014-12-12 11:16:54.0 +0100 @@ -1 +1 @@ -symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ -- $@ +symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#771753: maintainer scripts handling symlink to directory conversion
I found two things you need to do to avoid breakages: 1. Strip trailing slash for any argument (especially the first argument, e.g. the path) 2. Strip full path for old_path, as readlink -f is a beast in case you have symlink-symlink-dir or something like that E.g. do: symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7c2 libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ In case this doesn't help, you might need to set DPKG_DEBUG=1 before running upgrade, or even mangle dpkg-maintscript-helper to have #!/bin/sh -x stanza. Cheers, Ondrej On Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 11:52, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi, I had a look into #771753 and noticed that the proper maintscripts that should deal with the issue are included into the packaging. However, I can confirm that it only works for package libavifile-0.7c2 but not for libavifile-0.7-bin and libavifile-0.7-dev. I had tried whether the superflous '-- $@' at the end of these scripts which is rather added by debhelper (see debdiff extract below) might have some influence but it does not. Does anybody have a clue why symlink_to_dir works perfectly for libavifile-0.7c2 but not for libavifile-0.7-bin and libavifile-0.7-dev? Kind regards Andreas. diff -Nru avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-bin.maintscript avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-bin.maintscript --- avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-bin.maintscript 2014-10-20 13:28:43.0 +0200 +++ avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-bin.maintscript 2014-12-12 11:16:47.0 +0100 @@ -1 +1 @@ -symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ -- $@ +symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ diff -Nru avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7c2.maintscript avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7c2.maintscript --- avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7c2.maintscript 2014-10-20 13:28:43.0 +0200 +++ avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7c2.maintscript 2014-12-12 11:16:59.0 +0100 @@ -1 +1 @@ -symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7c2/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ -- $@ +symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7c2/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ diff -Nru avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-dev.maintscript avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-dev.maintscript --- avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-dev.maintscript 2014-10-20 13:28:43.0 +0200 +++ avifile-0.7.48~20090503.ds/debian/libavifile-0.7-dev.maintscript 2014-12-12 11:16:54.0 +0100 @@ -1 +1 @@ -symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ -- $@ +symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev/ /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ -- http://fam-tille.de -- Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org Knot DNS (https://www.knot-dns.cz/) – a high-performance DNS server -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#771753: maintainer scripts handling symlink to directory conversion
Andreas Tille:
I had a look into #771753 and noticed that the proper maintscripts that
should deal with the issue are included into the packaging. However, I
can confirm that it only works for package libavifile-0.7c2 but not for
libavifile-0.7-bin and libavifile-0.7-dev.
(...)
Does anybody have a clue why symlink_to_dir works perfectly for
libavifile-0.7c2 but not for libavifile-0.7-bin and libavifile-0.7-dev?
-bin and -dev are missing the Pre-Depends: ${misc:Pre-Depends}
libavifile-0.7c2 has it.
Moreover, there have been a few bugs in old versions of symlink_to_dir.
Current UNRELEASED implementation of debhelper set minimum version of
dpkg at 1.17.14
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debhelper/debhelper.git/commit/dh_installdeb?id=20c42b08a649f18522bc25ddec8e099ee7133e1e
Some packages have been hardcoding both the pre-depends and the
build-depends, as a result:
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-apache/apache2.git/commit/?id=edb81a0755c37594c1bb16fb691296442a6a2ae0
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Bug#771753: maintainer scripts handling symlink to directory conversion
Hi, On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 02:11:59PM +0100, Ondřej Surý wrote: I found two things you need to do to avoid breakages: 1. Strip trailing slash for any argument (especially the first argument, e.g. the path) 2. Strip full path for old_path, as readlink -f is a beast in case you have symlink-symlink-dir or something like that E.g. do: symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7c2 libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ In case this doesn't help, you might need to set DPKG_DEBUG=1 before running upgrade, or even mangle dpkg-maintscript-helper to have #!/bin/sh -x stanza. I tried to follow this and have removed the full path only for libavifile-0.7-bin to have some comparison what works and what not. In other words I have: $ cat debian/*.maint* symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7c2 /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ Here is what DPKG_DEBUG=1 shows on installation of libavifile-0.7-bin and libavifile-0.7-dev: $ LANG= sudo DPKG_DEBUG=1 dpkg -i libavifile-0.7-bin_0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2_amd64.deb (Reading database ... 427590 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack libavifile-0.7-bin_0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2_amd64.deb ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in prerm of libavifile-0.7-bin DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin - libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-bin:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir not required in prerm DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in preinst of libavifile-0.7-bin DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin - libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-bin:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 Unpacking libavifile-0.7-bin (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) over (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in postrm of libavifile-0.7-bin DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin - libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-bin:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 Setting up libavifile-0.7-bin (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in postinst of libavifile-0.7-bin DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin - libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-bin:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=configure PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-3) ... $ LANG= sudo DPKG_DEBUG=1 dpkg -i libavifile-0.7-dev_0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2_amd64.deb (Reading database ... 427590 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack libavifile-0.7-dev_0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2_amd64.deb ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in prerm of libavifile-0.7-dev DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev - /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-dev:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir not required in prerm DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in preinst of libavifile-0.7-dev DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev - /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-dev:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 Unpacking libavifile-0.7-dev (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) over (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in postrm of libavifile-0.7-dev DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev - /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-dev:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 Setting up libavifile-0.7-dev (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in
Bug#771753: maintainer scripts handling symlink to directory conversion
This will never work: Unpacking libavifile-0.7-bin (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) over (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) ... as the old version is greater than version specified in *.maintscript. Please re-do the test in clean (wheezy, jessie) environment O. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014, at 16:28, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi, On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 02:11:59PM +0100, Ondřej Surý wrote: I found two things you need to do to avoid breakages: 1. Strip trailing slash for any argument (especially the first argument, e.g. the path) 2. Strip full path for old_path, as readlink -f is a beast in case you have symlink-symlink-dir or something like that E.g. do: symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7c2 libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ In case this doesn't help, you might need to set DPKG_DEBUG=1 before running upgrade, or even mangle dpkg-maintscript-helper to have #!/bin/sh -x stanza. I tried to follow this and have removed the full path only for libavifile-0.7-bin to have some comparison what works and what not. In other words I have: $ cat debian/*.maint* symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7c2 /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ symlink_to_dir /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ Here is what DPKG_DEBUG=1 shows on installation of libavifile-0.7-bin and libavifile-0.7-dev: $ LANG= sudo DPKG_DEBUG=1 dpkg -i libavifile-0.7-bin_0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2_amd64.deb (Reading database ... 427590 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack libavifile-0.7-bin_0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2_amd64.deb ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in prerm of libavifile-0.7-bin DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin - libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-bin:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir not required in prerm DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in preinst of libavifile-0.7-bin DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin - libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-bin:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 Unpacking libavifile-0.7-bin (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) over (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in postrm of libavifile-0.7-bin DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin - libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-bin:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 Setting up libavifile-0.7-bin (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in postinst of libavifile-0.7-bin DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-bin - libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-bin:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=configure PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-3) ... $ LANG= sudo DPKG_DEBUG=1 dpkg -i libavifile-0.7-dev_0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2_amd64.deb (Reading database ... 427590 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack libavifile-0.7-dev_0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2_amd64.deb ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in prerm of libavifile-0.7-dev DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev - /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-dev:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir not required in prerm DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in preinst of libavifile-0.7-dev DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: SYMLINK=/usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-dev - /usr/share/doc/libavifile-0.7-common PACKAGE=libavifile-0.7-dev:amd64 LASTVERSION=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.1~ ACTION=upgrade PARAM=1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2 Unpacking libavifile-0.7-dev (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) over (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) ... DEBUG: dpkg-maintscript-helper: Executing /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper symlink_to_dir in postrm of libavifile-0.7-dev DEBUG:
Bug#771753: maintainer scripts handling symlink to directory conversion
Hi Jean-Michel,
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 02:58:17PM +, Jean-Michel Nirgal Vourgère wrote:
Andreas Tille:
Does anybody have a clue why symlink_to_dir works perfectly for
libavifile-0.7c2 but not for libavifile-0.7-bin and libavifile-0.7-dev?
-bin and -dev are missing the Pre-Depends: ${misc:Pre-Depends}
libavifile-0.7c2 has it.
I have added these here locally (failed to report here) but it has no
effect at all. I think this is not the reason for the problem since the
correct dpkg version is available here.
Moreover, there have been a few bugs in old versions of symlink_to_dir.
Current UNRELEASED implementation of debhelper set minimum version of
dpkg at 1.17.14
The currently installed dpkg version is 1.17.21 (amd64).
Kind regards
Andreas.
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Bug#771753: maintainer scripts handling symlink to directory conversion
Hi, On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 04:33:11PM +0100, Ondřej Surý wrote: This will never work: Unpacking libavifile-0.7-bin (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) over (1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-16.2) ... as the old version is greater than version specified in *.maintscript. Please re-do the test in clean (wheezy, jessie) environment Uhmmm, you are correct. Now it works. I'll upload later. Thanks for opening my eyes Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#771753: maintainer scripts handling symlink to directory conversion
Hi Andreas, Thanks a lot. I was planned to fix this bug in the weekends. But it seems you've already done. So please just NMU it without any delays, or LowNMU if you like. Yours Sincerely, Paul -- PaulLiu (劉穎駿) E-mail: Ying-Chun Liu (PaulLiu) paul...@debian.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#771753: maintainer scripts handling symlink to directory conversion
Hi Paul, On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 12:09:51AM +0800, Ying-Chun Liu (PaulLiu) wrote: Hi Andreas, Thanks a lot. I was planned to fix this bug in the weekends. But it seems you've already done. So please just NMU it without any delays, or LowNMU if you like. Done. Unblock bug filed as well. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
