Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-30 Thread Ian Campbell
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 10:39 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 08:52:25AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: I just checked debian-testing-amd64-i386-powerpc-netinst.iso vs firmware-testing-amd64-i386-powerpc-netinst.iso from

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-28 Thread Ian Campbell
On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 11:12 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:49:18AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 10:43 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 07:05:47AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 00:32 +0100, Steve McIntyre

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:49:18AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 10:43 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 07:05:47AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 00:32 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 09:26:38AM +0100, Ian Campbell

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 07:05:47AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 00:32 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 09:26:38AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: After struggling for a bit due to CONF.sh overwriting my settings (I've figured out about DEBIAN_CD_CONF_SOURCED

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-19 Thread Ian Campbell
On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 10:43 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 07:05:47AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 00:32 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 09:26:38AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: After struggling for a bit due to CONF.sh overwriting

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-14 Thread Ian Campbell
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 00:32 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 09:26:38AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: After struggling for a bit due to CONF.sh overwriting my settings (I've figured out about DEBIAN_CD_CONF_SOURCED now!) I managed to do a sid m-a netinst build without perl and

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 09:26:38AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 13:51 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 12:50 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 03:35:23PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:23 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-11 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 13:51 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 12:50 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 03:35:23PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:23 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 10:00:38AM +0100, Ian Campbell

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 09:45:12PM -0700, Chris Reich wrote: This powerpc user would rather not see powerpc dropped from the netinstall disk but accepts that it may be the time to do it in the interests of the much larger number of x86 based hardware in the wild. Yup. There will still be a

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 03:35:23PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:23 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 10:00:38AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: I don't think libuuid-perl really needs perl and I have filed #588427 to that effect. Cool. It's tagged as

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 12:50 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 03:35:23PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:23 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 10:00:38AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: I don't think libuuid-perl really needs perl and I

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
What I've done for now is drop the -486 kernel flavour from the m-a netinst. From a test build I've just done, everything fits on a single CD again, even with firmware included. If people want to install from a netinst onto a pre-686 machine then they'll need to use the separate i386 netinst

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 04:11:06PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Friday 09 July 2010, Steve McIntyre wrote: What I've done for now is drop the -486 kernel flavour from the m-a netinst. From a test build I've just done, everything fits on a single CD again, even with firmware included. If people

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-09 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 09 July 2010, Steve McIntyre wrote: True. Any better suggestions? No. Not without doing substantial work on this, which I've already indicated I'm not going to do this release. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-09 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 14:28 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: What I've done for now is drop the -486 kernel flavour from the m-a netinst. From a test build I've just done, everything fits on a single CD again, even with firmware included. If people want to install from a netinst onto a pre-686

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-09 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 09 July 2010, Ian Campbell wrote: In light of Frans' concern perhaps consider dropping 686 instead of 486? I think that will result in 686-bigmem being installed on systems which would have previously got 686 (I can confirm if necessary). This isn't necessarily a bad thing -- it

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-08 Thread Ian Campbell
(dropped powerpc for this subthread) On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 01:09 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Do you have any idea where perl (not perl-base) comes from? python (not python-minimal) doesn't seem to be in the base system but is on the CD as well. Similarly nothing seems to pull in binutils

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-08 Thread Ian Campbell
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:45 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 12:49:52AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 07:16:59AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: Hardlinks are used in preference to symlinks since these are expected to work better with isolinux and the

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-08 Thread Ian Campbell
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:23 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 10:00:38AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: I don't think libuuid-perl really needs perl and I have filed #588427 to that effect. Cool. It's tagged as pending already in the perl team's VCS, very fast turnaround. I

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-08 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 12:49:52AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 07:16:59AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: Hardlinks are used in preference to symlinks since these are expected to work better with isolinux and the Xen tools. Signed-off-by: Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-08 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:17:19AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 01:16 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 08:49:36AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 22:46 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: the multi-arch DVD. Another random thought, would we

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-08 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 10:00:38AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: (dropped powerpc for this subthread) On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 01:09 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Do you have any idea where perl (not perl-base) comes from? python (not python-minimal) doesn't seem to be in the base system but is on

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 07:16:59AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 22:43 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: I don't think sym-links are going to work - the filesystem code in isolinux is very simple (e.g. it only supports basic 8.3 filenames!) and I doubt it'll work. Hard links

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 08:49:36AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 22:46 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: the multi-arch DVD. Another random thought, would we be better off enabling the xen variant on the m-a DVD rather than CD? Adding this stuff onto the DVD sounds like a plan,

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ Added cc: to debian-powerpc for help... ] On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 08:44:15AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 22:46 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 03:45:31PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: The netinsts are

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-06 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: I don't think sym-links are going to work - the filesystem code in isolinux is very simple (e.g. it only supports basic 8.3 filenames!) and I doubt it'll work. Hard links *might*, however. Hi, Largely immaterial, just for the sake of correctness:

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-07-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 11:55:52AM +0200, Ferenc Wagner wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: I don't think sym-links are going to work - the filesystem code in isolinux is very simple (e.g. it only supports basic 8.3 filenames!) and I doubt it'll work. Hard links *might*, however.

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-29 Thread Ian Campbell
On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 22:43 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Is this list part of the output somewhere when I do a local build either with easy-build.sh or by replicating the invocation from debian-cd-setup SVN? It's an excerpt from make_disc_tree.log, produced when make_disc_trees.pl is

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-29 Thread Ian Campbell
On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 22:46 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 03:45:31PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: The netinsts are meant to have the base system, yes. I can't see anything obvious myself that we can drop. Maybe time to

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-29 Thread Ian Campbell
On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 22:46 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: the multi-arch DVD. Another random thought, would we be better off enabling the xen variant on the m-a DVD rather than CD? Ian. -- -- Ian Campbell Pull the trigger and you're garbage. -- Lady Blue signature.asc

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-28 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk writes: On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 21:49 +0200, Ferenc Wagner wrote: Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk writes: On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 21:12 +0200, Ferenc Wagner wrote: Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk writes: Another option might be to combine gtk/initrd.gz

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-28 Thread Ian Campbell
On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 14:30 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: The following packages are falling off onto a second disk now: i386:main:linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem:27213342 i386:main:linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem:3036 i386:main:linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem:516338

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-28 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 07:39:17AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 21:49 +0200, Ferenc Wagner wrote: It's actually an overlay, so it may be possible to work around the Xen limitation by making the Xen initrd the base one and overwriting its arch dependent parts as needed.

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-28 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 07:38:18PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 14:30 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: The following packages are falling off onto a second disk now: i386:main:linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem:27213342 i386:main:linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem:3036

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-28 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 03:45:31PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: The netinsts are meant to have the base system, yes. I can't see anything obvious myself that we can drop. Maybe time to give up on powerpc on that image, like we've done on the m-a

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-27 Thread Ian Campbell
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 21:49 +0200, Ferenc Wagner wrote: Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk writes: On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 21:12 +0200, Ferenc Wagner wrote: Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk writes: Another option might be to combine gtk/initrd.gz and xen/initrd.gz so that the overhead

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-26 Thread Ian Campbell
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 21:12 +0200, Ferenc Wagner wrote: Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk writes: Another option might be to combine gtk/initrd.gz and xen/initrd.gz so that the overhead is only the kernel udebs and not duplicating all the other stuff. I probably mentioned this already,

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-26 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk writes: Another option might be to combine gtk/initrd.gz and xen/initrd.gz so that the overhead is only the kernel udebs and not duplicating all the other stuff. I probably mentioned this already, but you aren't constrained to a single initrd.gz: you can use

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-26 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk writes: On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 21:12 +0200, Ferenc Wagner wrote: Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk writes: Another option might be to combine gtk/initrd.gz and xen/initrd.gz so that the overhead is only the kernel udebs and not duplicating all the other

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-25 Thread Ian Campbell
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 20:06 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'm afraid I don't have any good ideas. Is this particular image supposed to contain a complete base system or just enough to fetch the remainder of the base system from the net? The

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-25 Thread Ian Campbell
On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 15:45 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Just a crcy idea: Could the plain i386 kernel be droped instead? That would loose support for i486 and i586 cpus on the m-a CD. But is that needed there? I guess it is a possibility, I suppose new installs on i486 and i586 class

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-25 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 15:17 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: The Lenny multi arch netinst amd64+i3486+powerpc was 472M which left around 178M spare so I wonder where that space has gone. [...] I'll take a look at the non-package content of the DVD next since there seems to ~50M accounted there.

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 03:06:14PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 14:30 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: For the last few builds, the i386/amd64/powerpc sid netinst image has become too big to fit on one CD any more. The following packages

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-16 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 03:06:14PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 14:30 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: For the last few builds, the i386/amd64/powerpc sid netinst image has become too big to fit on one CD any more. The following packages are falling off onto a second disk now:

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'm afraid I don't have any good ideas. Is this particular image supposed to contain a complete base system or just enough to fetch the remainder of the base system from the net? The netinsts are meant to have the base system, yes. I can't see

Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-15 Thread Steve McIntyre
For the last few builds, the i386/amd64/powerpc sid netinst image has become too big to fit on one CD any more. The following packages are falling off onto a second disk now: i386:main:linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem:27213342 i386:main:linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem:3036

Re: Multi-arch netinst getting too big

2010-06-15 Thread Ian Campbell
On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 14:30 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: For the last few builds, the i386/amd64/powerpc sid netinst image has become too big to fit on one CD any more. The following packages are falling off onto a second disk now: i386:main:linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem:27213342