Re: too many CD ISOs

2007-04-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Frans Pop wrote: On Tuesday 17 April 2007 19:42, Michael Loftis wrote: It's becoming prohibitively expensive for mirrors to maintain a debian mirror because of the huge amount of storage required by all of the CD/DVD images. This has been brought up before by

Re: too many CD ISOs

2007-04-18 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070418 07:02]: IMHO we need to do something to get vendors to default to selling the CDs that are useful, and de-emphasise the great big vanity packs that are just a waste of plastic for most users. Maybe we need a debian-vendor-announce list similar to

Re: too many CD ISOs

2007-04-18 Thread Richard Atterer
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:02:07AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Reason: it's much more effective for them when users download an ISO than when they use jigdo. For example the ftp.fr.debian.org admin explained me that they were limited by the disk seek and not by the bandwith used by the

Re: too many CD ISOs

2007-04-18 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Richard Atterer wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:02:07AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Reason: it's much more effective for them when users download an ISO than when they use jigdo. For example the ftp.fr.debian.org admin explained me that they were limited by the disk

Re: too many CD ISOs

2007-04-18 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 03:10:52PM +0200, Mattias Wadenstein wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Richard Atterer wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:02:07AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Reason: it's much more effective for them when users download an ISO than when they use jigdo. For example the

Re: too many CD ISOs

2007-04-18 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:47:30PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Hmmm. I should really finish off jigdoofus - the fuse-based filesystem that can build ISO images on the fly from jigdo files and a mirror. Then people will have the option to choose between disk space for storing the ISOs and

Re: too many CD ISOs

2007-04-18 Thread Carlos Carvalho
Matt Taggart ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 17 April 2007 00:59: So how about keeping around a fixed amount of CD images per arch and dropping the rest? It's too early to not have all the distribution in CDs. The main mirrors at least (say the national ones) must have them all. The other mirrors

Re: too many CD ISOs

2007-04-18 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 18 April 2007 22:23, Carlos Carvalho wrote: Matt Taggart ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 17 April 2007 00:59: So how about keeping around a fixed amount of CD images per arch and dropping the rest? It's too early to not have all the distribution in CDs. The main mirrors at least

Re: too many CD ISOs

2007-04-18 Thread Carlos Carvalho
Mattias Wadenstein ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 18 April 2007 15:10: Well, a jigdo-build against our debian mirror will use slightly more bandwidth and much more resources than a iso download. Of course, a jigdo download using another debian mirror would be a big win. jigdo is mostly useful

Re: too many CD ISOs

2007-04-18 Thread Carlos Carvalho
Richard Atterer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 18 April 2007 11:30: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:02:07AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Reason: it's much more effective for them when users download an ISO than when they use jigdo. For example the ftp.fr.debian.org admin explained me that they

Bug#418258: marked as done (Please add checksum files and signatures to torrent dir)

2007-04-18 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:29:13 +0100 with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subject line Bug#418258: Please add checksum files and signatures to torrent dir has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If

Re: netinst, businesscard, and media sizes

2007-04-18 Thread Joey Hess
Matt Taggart: I have been told (by Steve Langasek) that the netinst image sizes are whatever it takes to do net install, to be used on a regular CD but kept as small as possible for download purposes. The netinst images are all pretty close to the 185mb mini-CD size, archsize free

Re: netinst, businesscard, and media sizes

2007-04-18 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 19 April 2007 02:22, Joey Hess wrote: The mini CD size is the primary target of the netinst. A secondary target is putting the netinst on a hd-media usb stick. We were not able to keep it fitting on a 128 mb stick for etch, so the current target there is 256 mb, of which ~245 mb is