Re: Planning for 12.6

2024-02-13 Thread Donald Norwood
Hi,

On 2/12/24 17:28, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 06:04:17PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:
>>
>> 7  April
>> 13 April
>> 20 April
> 
> Any of those should work for me, assuming (re Adam) that you mean 6
> April and not 7 April.
> 

Same for Publicity, all dates are good to go.

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Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

2024-01-04 Thread Donald Norwood
Sorry, super late on this one. I withdraw my 'vote' and will acquiesce to
which ever date the group selects. I do like the 17th though.

 Original Message  
Subject: Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9
From: Luna Jernberg 
To: Cyril Brulebois , Luna Jernberg 
Cc: Steve McIntyre , Jonathan Wiltshire ,
debian-rele...@lists.debian.org, ftpmas...@debian.org, pr...@debian.org,
debian-cd@lists.debian.org, debian-b...@lists.debian.org,
webmas...@debian.org, jcris...@debian.org
Date: 1/4/2024

> Hey!
> 
> 10th or 17th works for me the 17th the best
> 
> Den tors 28 dec. 2023 kl 03:41 skrev Cyril Brulebois :
>>
>> Steve McIntyre  (2023-12-26):
>>> Any of those *should* be OK for me.
>>
>> Ditto.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
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Re: Planning for 12.3

2023-10-09 Thread Donald Norwood

Hi,

 Original Message  
Subject: Re: Planning for 12.3
From: Andy 
To: debian-cd@lists.debian.org, Jonathan Wiltshire , 
debian-rele...@lists.debian.org
Cc: ftpmas...@ftp-master.debian.org, pr...@debian.org, 
debian-b...@lists.debian.org, webmas...@debian.org, jcris...@debian.org, 
k...@debian.org

Date: 10/8/2023


On 7 October 2023 21:59:53 BST, Jonathan Wiltshire  wrote:

On Sat, Oct 07, 2023 at 06:59:03PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

How about:
   4th December (better for cadence)
  11th December (more likely suitable in practice)


Erm, astute readers will realise the 4th and 11th are Saturdays in
November, not December. The correct proposals should be:

2nd December (better for candence, no-go for me)
9th December (more likely suitable in practice)

Thanks,



Hi all.

I can do both weekends, but unfortunately Isy will be unavailable for either 
date as she will be doing her mock exams.

Given Isy's exams however, it will not be possible to host the images team in 
Cottenham either date, sorry.

All the best
/Andy


Press can do both weekends, will Andy's image host affect new dates proposed?

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Re: 11.8/12.2 planning

2023-07-25 Thread Donald Norwood



On 7/24/23 14:25, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

I think I confused matters with my messy thread; let's start again.

I originally suggested:

Jonathan Wiltshire  (2023-06-28):

The proper cadence for 11.8 and 12.2 is the weekend of 30th September
2023. Please indicate your availability for:

23 Sep
30 Sep (preferred)
7 Oct


Let's say 30 Sep is still preferred, 7th Oct or at a stretch 14th Oct are
options. Please indicate your availability for those three.

Thanks,



Publicity/Press:

23 Sep
7 Oct
14 Oct


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Re: 12.1 planning

2023-07-02 Thread Donald Norwood

Ciao,

On 6/28/23 03:21, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

Hi,

The proper cadence for 11.8 and 12.2 is the weekend of 30th September 2023.
Please indicate your availability for:

23 Sep
30 Sep (preferred)
7 Oct

Thanks,

23 of September or the 7th of October for Press. 30th is unfortunately an 
impossible date on my end.


As an aside, we have a few things going on right now and the team is 
re-organizing. The further back we can push whilst we train and bring 
others up to speed with temporary access works for us and for the project. 
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Re: 11.8 planning

2023-06-27 Thread Donald Norwood



On 6/26/23 12:26, Adam D. Barratt wrote:

Hi Donald,

On Wed, 2023-06-21 at 06:33 -0400, Donald Norwood wrote:

Hi,

On 6/20/23 13:15, Adam D. Barratt wrote:

The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four
months,
rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt
11.8
so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with
12.1
and then align 11.9 with 12.3.
...
The 1st would mean freezing this coming weekend, which is very
tight.

As per the 12.1 mail, either the 8th or 15th would work for me,
with a
preference for the latter. Given the explanation above though, I
think
the 22nd would be fine for 11.8 as well.


I think pushing everything forward at this time would be advisable
as several people have indicated that they need a breather. A slight
delay may be ideal.


I'm assuming you mean what at least in en_GB is normally referred to as
"pushing things back" - i.e. making things later than suggested.

Did you just mean that we should opt for the later of the dates
suggested (July 22nd), or did you have something else in mind?


Sorry for the block quote:

Phrasal verbs can be so very confusing. Yes you are correct. I suggest 
moving the dates into the future to allow for everyone to relax a bit and 
be in tune for the next releases.


I believe the 22nd would be best, unless others have differing input to the 
date selection.



*Push or pull? I asked a colleague and they thought push forward would be 
to advance toward/through the difficulty, and pull forward would be to move 
something closer. I asked another and they expressed a reversal of the 
terms in the contrary.


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Re: 11.8 planning

2023-06-21 Thread Donald Norwood

Hi,

On 6/20/23 13:15, Adam D. Barratt wrote:

The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four months,
rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
and then align 11.9 with 12.3.
...
The 1st would mean freezing this coming weekend, which is very tight.

As per the 12.1 mail, either the 8th or 15th would work for me, with a
preference for the latter. Given the explanation above though, I think
the 22nd would be fine for 11.8 as well.


I think pushing everything forward at this time would be advisable as 
several people have indicated that they need a breather. A slight delay may 
be ideal.


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Re: 11.8 planning

2023-06-19 Thread Donald Norwood

Hi,

On 6/19/23 17:02, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

Hi,

I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the
timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends,
but they could also be stretched[1] and combined.

Two months from 29th April is around the 1st July, so I propose:

1st July
8th July
15th July at a push


1: a shame that joke hasn't worked for some years now


The joke made me chortle. :)

I got the emails out of order.

8th and 15th for Press.



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Re: 12.1 planning

2023-06-19 Thread Donald Norwood

Hi

On 6/19/23 17:04, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

Hi,

The promised 4-6 weeks following release for 12.1 looks like:

  8th July (4)
15th July (5)
22nd July (6)



If the 8th is doable Press can do it and the 15th, would prefer the 15th or 
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Re: 11.7 planning + bookworm planning

2023-04-20 Thread Donald Norwood

Hi,

On 4/20/23 
15:15, 
Steve 
McIntyre 
wrote:

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 08:20:51PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote:

Hi all,

TL;DR: ftp & press input for June needed.

On 20-04-2023 18:29, Adam D. Barratt wrote:

The 13th does seem a bit close now, without having announced.

After some consideration today, and the vibe felt in this discussion, let's
not rush this, so let's skip May 13 (also giving Press some time, see below).


One other thing of note is that, unless I've missed some mail, there's
no press / publicity team member confirmed as available, which is
really a requirement.

Jonathan (DPL) mentioned earlier:
"""
Press team is in some slight limbo at the moment, I hope to help fix that
after the DPL election is over, in the mean time, it might be a good idea not
to block on them.
"""
If press is "really a requirement", we'll have to wait until this is settled.


>From the CD side we know that with May 13 out, the rest of May is also out.

So we're looking for a date in June. For June, starting with 10, we have:
kibi  - 10, 17, 24d-i
Luna  - 10, 17, 24CD testing
elbrus- 10, 24release team
adsb  - 10, 17, 24release team

Sledge - 10, 17, 24images team

June 10 
and 17 are 
workable.


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Re: 11.7 planning

2023-03-16 Thread Donald Norwood

29th is workable.

On 3/15/23 18:36, Andy wrote:

On 15 March 2023 20:33:47 GMT, Jonathan Wiltshire  wrote:

Hi,

We're overdue for 11.7 and need it done with a keyring update included
before bookworm can be released. The wheels are turning on the keyring so
how do dates in April look for everybody? Saturdays are 1st (probably too
soon), 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th.

Thanks,




I can do 15th, 22nd or 29th
Isy is only available from the 29th (mocks)

Best wishes
/Andy


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Re: 11.4 planning

2022-06-21 Thread Donald Norwood

Hi Everyone!

Following on Laura, we can do both dates though the 9th would be preferable as 
the July 2nd weekend falls on a Holiday week which is not ideal for my timezone.
We can cover regardless, but the 9th is ideal .

On 6/20/22 10:09, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

Hi
I'm not sure about Donald's preferences but I could do both dates, so count 
with press/webmaster in any case.

Kind regards

El 17 de junio de 2022 21:31:23 CEST, "Adam D. Barratt" 
 escribió:

Hi,

We're (again) running behind in getting the next point release for
bullseye sorted, and I know we're about to run into the Deb{Camp,Conf}
period. I think the possible dates that make sense are:

- July 2nd (means freezing next weekend, but so be it)
- July 9th

I think there's already a couple of things pending on KiBi's review
list; I'll try and flag up any others as soon as I can.

Thanks,

Adam





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Re: 11.3 and 10.12 planning

2022-03-08 Thread Donald Norwood

Hi Everyone,

On 3/8/22 12:15, Andy Simpkins wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I can do the 26th March or the 9th of April.



For Publicity/Press:

March 26th and April 9th ideal.  I can try to accommodate April 2nd but 
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Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-07-17 Thread Donald Norwood
Hi!

On 7/17/21 4:58 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:25:17PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On 11-07-2021 21:11, Paul Gevers wrote:
>>> With less than three weeks to go until the tentative release date, I
>>> would love to confirm the date by now, but there is a serious issue with
>>> crucial infrastructure (cdbuilder.d.o). Apart from this issue (and what
>>> it means for solving the debian-installer blocking issues in time), I'm
>>> not aware of other blocking issues, so let's hope the teams involved can
>>> recover in time.
>>
>> Albeit there is some progress, we think it better for the people
>> involved to now say that we will *not* release on July 31.
>>
>> Unfortunately, that means that we have to start looking for a new date
>> again. Assuming what we'll learn in the upcoming week or two is good, I
>> propose to already start the list below with two weeks after the
>> previous date. Upcoming time is around DebConf, I can imagine it could
>> even be an advantage, especially as that's on-line, let's see.
>>
>> 14 August (day before DebCamp)
Doable.
> 
> Works for me for images team
> 
>> 21 August (last day of DebCamp)
>>  RT: elbrus
> 
> Awkward - wife has plans for us that evening.
Half of the press team is available this day so it is not ideal.
> 
>> 28 August (DebConf)
>>  RT: elbrus
> 
> Debian UK BBQ, argh
> 
>> 4 September
>>  RT: elbrus
Labor day weekend in the U.S. Not a good weekend.
> 
> Works fine for me
> 
>> 11 September:
>>  RT: elbrus
> 
> That's the week of my wedding anniversary, I'll be on VAC.
Happy Anniversary!

Could we put forth September 18th? We are good for that day without any
issues.
> 

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Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-23 Thread Donald Norwood
On 4/23/21 5:00 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote:

> 
> I'm trusting the release team to block until d-i is ready, from what I
> understand the date that they're trying to find in May is just a
> tentative date. Would it also make sense to keep another tentative date
> for June as a back-up? (I'm thinking that it might make it easier to
> plan now than to scramble again in May, but if you feel different then
> that's fine too).

Indeed, from this and the last few posts in the discussion it reads that
perhaps June is the better option for the 'timed' ready when ready
release date.

I think it would allow for extra care to be given in the areas needed
and would as Paul suggested allow the larger community to pull together
to help resolve some of the issues.

I'd suggest to strike the May 1, 8, and 15th dates and move to:

May 22
May 29
Jun 05
Jun 12
Jun 19

Separately, if there is an area where a non-programmer-coder (NPC, haha)
can assist perhaps with a set of steps that I can reproduce on my
equipment here, please point me to it and I'll chip in.


Be well,

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Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

2021-04-09 Thread Donald Norwood
Hello, everyone


On 4/9/21 2:47 PM, Paul Gevers wrote:
> Dear release team, ftpmasters, press team, cd team, d-i team,
> 
> The Release Team believes that the state of bullseye is pretty good.
> Yes, there are some blocking bugs [1] and d-i and shim still need some
> love, but the state is much better than we remembered from the same time
> in buster.
> 

Great job all around, very exciting.

> Last time in the buster release cycle, it took quite a while to pick a
> release date once it was clear that buster could get released. As we
> believe that shorter freeze period are better for the spirit of
> contributors to Debian, we'd like to avoid such an unnecessary delay
> again, and we'd want to pick a tentative release date. We call it
> tentative, because it would be the date where we do the bullseye release
> assuming that the identified issues are resolved by then and that we
> don't find new blocking issues between now and two weeks before that
> proposed date. So, the date would not be the set-in-stone release date,
> but obviously it would become more solid as we get near it.
> 
> We propose to aim for a release date in May. Would either of the
> following work for you and do you have any preference?
> - May  1
> - May  8
> - May 15
> - May 22
> - May 29

Press can do May 1, 8, or  22.

Looking forward already!

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Re: 10.9 planning

2021-03-15 Thread Donald Norwood
Ciao,

March 27th and April 10th work for the publicity component.



On 3/15/21 8:33 AM, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It's that time again, when we should look at organising the next point
> release.
> 
> Please could you confirm your availability, and any preferences, for
> the following:
> 
> - March 27th
> - April 3rd
> - April 10th
> 
> I'd prefer to avoid April 10th if possible, for slightly selfish
> reasons. :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Adam
> 


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Re: 10.7 planning

2020-10-31 Thread Donald Norwood
Hi Everyone!

On 10/30/20 3:10 PM, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In an attempt to be slightly more efficient than usual at planning a
> point release... it's about a month since 10.6, so let's start looking
> at dates for 10.7.
> 
> Please could you confirm your availability, and any preferences, for
> the following:
> 
> - November 21st
> - November 28th
> - December 5th
> 

All dates are fine with Publicity, with a very slight preference for the
28th.

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Re: stretch EOL point release (9.13) and 10.5 planning

2020-07-19 Thread Donald Norwood
Hi,

On 7/18/20 5:44 PM, Andy Simpkins wrote:
> 
> 
> On 18 July 2020 22:39:05 BST, Steve McIntyre  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 10:12:41PM +0100, Adam Barratt wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 15:35 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 12:46 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> 
> Argh, massive apologies...
> 
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:38:14AM +0200, Laura Arjona
> Reina wrote:
> 
> El 15/6/20 a las 18:44, Adam D. Barratt escribió:
> 
> - July 18/19
> 
> 
> Massive apologies for dropping a spanner in the works, but
> something major has come up. I won't be able to do *all*
> of that
> weekend after all. As Stretch EOL is already a thing,
> can I suggest
> that we keep that to plan and push back the Buster 10.5
> release a
> little?
> 
> Sorry. :-/
> 
> 
> Thanks for letting us know. :-(
> 
> I'll drop a note to the lists, and we can look at getting a
> new date
> organised.
> 
> 
> Now that stretch EoL is (more or less) out of the way, it would
> be good
> to get 10.5 done as soon as we sensibly can, so as not to slip
> too far
> off schedule.
> 
> Next weekend is probably a little too soon - I'd at least like
> to not
> jump straight back into freezing - but how about one of:
> 
> - August 1st/2nd
> - August 8th/9th
> 
> 
> Either is possible for me, with a preference for the first. Let's not
> delay too long if possible.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -- 
> I am good for either weekend.
> Given a preferance i would prefer the 1st.
> 
> Cheers
> /Andy

August 1/2nd is good on the publicity side. 8/9 can work if needed.

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Re: Scheduling 10.1 and maybe 9.10

2019-07-15 Thread Donald Norwood
Hi,

On 7/14/19 2:35 PM, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> So, the first point release for buster would normally be about a month
> after release, or something like 3rd August. But I'm aware that already
> doesn't work for some people, so we might have to get a bit creative with
> it.
> 
> Please indicate your availablility out of:
> 
>  - August 3rd

Slightly workable for the 3rd.

>  - August 10th
>  - August 17th
> 
Vacations.
> and failing those, let's look ahead as far as:
> 
>  - August 24th
>  - Auguest 31st
>  - September 7th

September 7th works best for Press as we will both be around.
> 
> We also have a point release of 9.10 to fit in some time - would the same
> day or adjacent weekends be preferable?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: Scheduling 9.9

2019-02-22 Thread Donald Norwood
On 2/20/19 8:05 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Steve McIntyre  (2019-02-20):
>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 06:28:05PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Please indicate your availablility out of:
>>>
>>> - April 13
>>> - April 20 (Easter weekend)
>>
>> I'm away on holiday for both of these, I'm afraid, and so is chief CD
>> tester Andy.
>>
>>> - April 27
>>
>> But this works.
> 
> All dates should be OK for d-i preparations on my side.

Publicity can do the 27th.

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Re: Scheduling 9.7

2019-01-19 Thread Donald Norwood


On 1/19/19 5:28 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 06:44:56PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> 9.7 is a bit overdue already (current events being a bit of a time-sink).
>>
>> Please indicate your availablility out of:
>>
>> - (Feb 2 unlikely, FOSDEM)
> 
> Quite.
> 
>> - Feb 9
>> - Feb 16
> 
> Both of those currently look free for me.
> 

Press can do either the 9th or the 16th, however, we do prefer the 16th. :)


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Re: 8.6 planning

2016-08-11 Thread Donald Norwood
Publicity team can do any of the September dates. September 5th is on
the tail end of a long Holiday weekend in the US.



On 08/07/2016 06:10 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 11:04:44PM +0100, Adam Barratt wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It's time for another Jessie point release; as wheezy's EOL, we don't
>> have to worry about trying to fit two in at the same time. Some possible
>> dates:
>>
>> August 20th/21st - doesn't work for me
>>
>> August 27th/28th - public holiday weekend in the UK; doesn't work for me
> 
> Both those weekends don't work for me either, for the same reasons as
> you. :-)
> 
>> September 3rd/4th 
>>
>> September 10th/11th
>>
>> September 17th/18th
> 
> But all three of those work fine for me.
> 

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Re: 8.4 and 7.10 planning

2016-02-21 Thread Donald Norwood

On 02/21/2016 08:13 AM, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 12:24:35 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We're due both Jessie and Wheezy point releases, and are proposing doing
>> both on the same weekend again, as we did for 8.2 and 7.9, as the CD
>> team seem happy to try it again.
>>
>> Some suggested dates:
>>
>> March 12th / 13th
>> March 19th / 20th
>> March 26th / 27th - Easter, holiday weekend in at least the UK
>> April 2nd / 3rd
March 12/13 is no good (Steve) and March 26/27 is Easter holiday as well
in the US.

Although the publicity team is flexible on the date ranges,  April 2/3
seem to be the better of the date ranges as the delay would give Ben
time to push the kernel updates.

Best regards,

Donald Norwood



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Re: 8.3 planning

2015-12-06 Thread Donald Norwood

On 12/04/2015 01:12 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 05:43:54PM +, Adam Barratt wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> We're a tad overdue for the 8.3 point release and with the holiday
>> period coming up, getting one done in December looks like a bit of a
>> push.
>>
>> On that basis, looking at January we have:
>>
>> 2nd/3rd - depends how much people are still suffering. :-)
> No chance for me that weekend - I've got plans already.
>
>> 9th/10th
>> 16th/17th
>> 23rd/24th - likely to be bad for me
> All of these look OK so far.
>
Press can do 16/17 or 23/24.

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