Re: Re-planning for 12.6

2024-04-21 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 05:44:48PM +0100, Andy Simpkins wrote:
> 
> On 21/04/2024 01:57, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:58:41PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > > > Hiya!
> > > > 
> > > > Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?
> > > > 
> > > Right now I can still have 27th April on the cards but we're missing FTP 
> > > and
> > > press. It's next week, we'd have to know this weekend and get frozen.
> > > Mark indicated "maybe" and no answer from press.
> > > 
> > > If that date works please reply urgently otherwise we're looking into May
> > > and possibly just skipping to line up with the final bullseye anyway.
> > It works for me, I guess. Dunno about other folks.
> > 
> 
> I can still do 27th but as I have already stated Isy is now unavailable
> until July due to exams.
> 
> Please can we make a decision by Tuesday otherwise I'll end up doing
> something else

Too late now in any case. SRMs will regroup and decide whether we push for
one in May or just wait for June anyway.


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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

2024-04-20 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:58:41PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hiya!
> 
> Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?
> 

Right now I can still have 27th April on the cards but we're missing FTP and
press. It's next week, we'd have to know this weekend and get frozen.
Mark indicated "maybe" and no answer from press.

If that date works please reply urgently otherwise we're looking into May
and possibly just skipping to line up with the final bullseye anyway.


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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

2024-04-02 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 01:07:27PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> April 13th
> April 20th
> April 27th

At current progress I expect to be available for the SRM side 13th or 27th.
We're in a good position to freeze this weekend to make the 13th, if others
are available then.

The 20th is a no for me.

> May 4th
> May 11th

Currently OK for me.

Though as soon as we're heading into the middle of May we might as well
wait for the next cadence in June. 

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Upcoming stable point release (12.6)

2024-02-16 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

The next point release for "bookworm" (12.6) is scheduled for Saturday,
April 6th. Processing of new uploads into bookworm-proposed-updates will be
frozen during the preceeding weekend.

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Re: Planning for 12.6

2024-02-12 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 06:29:36PM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-02-12 at 18:04 +0000, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability
> > for:
> > 
> > 7  April
> 
> I assume you mean the 6th here. That should be doable.

I did.

> > 13 April
> 
> Could work, but I would prefer not to for personal reasons.

I suspected as much :)

> > 20 April
> 
> I'll be returning from time abroad probably late the day before, so no
> from me.

Ok.


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Planning for 12.6

2024-02-12 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:

7  April
13 April
20 April

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Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

2024-01-16 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
> On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 21:25 +0000, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4)
> > and 11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye
> > before LTS.
> > 
> > Please indicate availability for:
> > 
> >   Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)
> >   Saturday 10th February
> >   Saturday 17th February

Let's go for the 10th, announcements to follow.

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Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

2024-01-08 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

The most likely contenders are 10th and 17th February but unless I missed
it, there's no indication from ftp-master (crucial) or webmasters
(highly desirable). Are either of those dates preferable for you?

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Planning for 12.5/11.9

2023-12-19 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4) and
11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye before LTS.

Please indicate availability for:

  Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)
  Saturday 10th February
  Saturday 17th February

Thanks,

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Re: Planning for 12.3

2023-10-07 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Sat, Oct 07, 2023 at 06:59:03PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> How about:
>   4th December (better for cadence)
>  11th December (more likely suitable in practice)

Erm, astute readers will realise the 4th and 11th are Saturdays in
November, not December. The correct proposals should be:

 2nd December (better for candence, no-go for me)
 9th December (more likely suitable in practice)

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Planning for 12.3

2023-10-07 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

The next point release for bookworm should be around the end of November
2023. We're about a week behind cadence anyway, but I already know the 28th
November will be unsuitable (Cambridge mini-debconf) and the weekend
following is probably recovery time for a lot of people.

Much after that we get into holidays and well off cadence.

How about:
  4th December (better for cadence)
 11th December (more likely suitable in practice)

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Upcoming stable (12.2) and oldstable (11.8) point releases

2023-09-01 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
The next point releases for "bookworm" (12.2) and "bullseye" (11.8) will
take place on Saturday, October 7th 2023. Processing of new uploads into
the relevant queues will be frozen the preceding weekend.

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Re: 11.8/12.2 planning

2023-08-29 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
> >Let's say 30 Sep is still preferred, 7th Oct or at a stretch 14th Oct are
> >options. Please indicate your availability for those three.

Right, 7th October seems to be the one. Usual confirmations to follow.

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11.8/12.2 planning

2023-07-24 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
I think I confused matters with my messy thread; let's start again.

I originally suggested:

Jonathan Wiltshire  (2023-06-28):
> The proper cadence for 11.8 and 12.2 is the weekend of 30th September
> 2023. Please indicate your availability for:
> 
> 23 Sep
> 30 Sep (preferred)
> 7 Oct

Let's say 30 Sep is still preferred, 7th Oct or at a stretch 14th Oct are
options. Please indicate your availability for those three.

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Upcoming stable point release (12.1)

2023-06-28 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

The first point release for "bookworm" (12.1) is scheduled for Saturday,
July 22nd. Processing of new uploads into bookworm-proposed-updates will be
frozen during the preceding weekend.


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11.8/12.2 planning

2023-06-28 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:21:54AM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Subject: 12.1 planning

That should, of course, be 11.8/12.2. Sorry.


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12.1 planning

2023-06-28 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

The proper cadence for 11.8 and 12.2 is the weekend of 30th September 2023.
Please indicate your availability for:

23 Sep
30 Sep (preferred)
7 Oct

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Re: 11.8 planning

2023-06-28 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
After some discusion we'll leave 11.8 until its proper cadence in September
and combine it with 12.2.


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Re: 12.1 planning

2023-06-28 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:04:06PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> The promised 4-6 weeks following release for 12.1 looks like:
> 
>  8th July (4)
> 15th July (5)
> 22nd July (6)

We'll go for 12.1 only on 22nd July, announcements to follow.



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Re: 11.8 planning

2023-06-24 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 06:15:30PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> The traditional cadence for oldstable point releases is four months,
> rather than two. That technically means that 11.8 would be due
> somewhere in late August to mid-September. So we could either punt 11.8
> so it aligns with 12.2 rather than 12.1, or do 11.8 together with 12.1
> and then align 11.9 with 12.3.
> 
> I think I'd prefer the latter option, i.e. we do 11.8+12.1 in July,
> 12.2 probably September, then 11.9+12.3 Novemberish.
> 

Yes, I had forgotten about the transition to oldstable candece. I was going
to suggest, though, that 11.8 gets pushed back to cadence with 12.2 and we
just do 12.1 on its own first. How does that sound?


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12.1 planning

2023-06-19 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

The promised 4-6 weeks following release for 12.1 looks like:

 8th July (4)
15th July (5)
22nd July (6)

The first of them would combine with a very stretched 11.8; SRM might
prefer to get 11.8 done earlier and leave more time for 12.1 to mature.

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11.8 planning

2023-06-19 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

I'm sending this separately to a similar mail for 12.1. That's because the
timings are far enough out that they would make sense on separate weekends,
but they could also be stretched[1] and combined. 

Two months from 29th April is around the 1st July, so I propose:

1st July
8th July
15th July at a push


1: a shame that joke hasn't worked for some years now


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Bug#1037324: d.o/CD/live refers to images no longer built

2023-06-11 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Package: www.debian.org
Severity: serious
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-cd@lists.debian.org, j...@debian.org

i386 live images are no longer built as of bookworm, but the download
page still refers to them. It needs a bit of a rewrite because the only
architecture now is amd64.

I became aware because of direct user reports.



Re: 11.7 planning

2023-03-18 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 08:33:47PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> We're overdue for 11.7 and need it done with a keyring update included
> before bookworm can be released. The wheels are turning on the keyring so
> how do dates in April look for everybody? Saturdays are 1st (probably too
> soon), 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th.

So 29th April is the earliest viable option; announcements to follow.

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11.7 planning

2023-03-15 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

We're overdue for 11.7 and need it done with a keyring update included
before bookworm can be released. The wheels are turning on the keyring so
how do dates in April look for everybody? Saturdays are 1st (probably too
soon), 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th.

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Re: Scheduling 10.1 and maybe 9.10

2019-07-29 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Ok, we have a winner. Let's make them both 7th September so press aren't
under too much pressure.

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Re: Scheduling 10.1 and maybe 9.10

2019-07-27 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 08:36:30PM -0300, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 07:35:01PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> >  - Auguest 31st
> >  - September 7th
> 
> These look like the two options so far. Any other takers?

I think we're just awaiting FTP masters now - I'd like to get this nailed
down as soon as we can so I can plan the pulses for 10.2 onwards please.

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Re: Scheduling 10.1 and maybe 9.10

2019-07-20 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 07:35:01PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>  - August 24th

I have no idea how I missed the event that weekend...

>  - Auguest 31st
>  - September 7th

These look like the two options so far. Any other takers?

> We also have a point release of 9.10 to fit in some time - would the same
> day or adjacent weekends be preferable?

Consensus seems to be to do them together.



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Scheduling 10.1 and maybe 9.10

2019-07-14 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

So, the first point release for buster would normally be about a month
after release, or something like 3rd August. But I'm aware that already
doesn't work for some people, so we might have to get a bit creative with
it.

Please indicate your availablility out of:

 - August 3rd
 - August 10th
 - August 17th

and failing those, let's look ahead as far as:

 - August 24th
 - Auguest 31st
 - September 7th

We also have a point release of 9.10 to fit in some time - would the same
day or adjacent weekends be preferable?

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Re: Scheduling 9.9

2019-03-24 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 06:28:05PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Please indicate your availablility out of:
> 
>  - April 13
>  - April 20 (Easter weekend)
>  - April 27

>From the replies so far I guess at the moment we're looking at the 27th.
Any other inputs?

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Scheduling 9.9

2019-02-20 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

Please indicate your availablility out of:

 - April 13
 - April 20 (Easter weekend)
 - April 27

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Scheduling 9.7

2019-01-18 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

9.7 is a bit overdue already (current events being a bit of a time-sink).

Please indicate your availablility out of:

 - (Feb 2 unlikely, FOSDEM)
 - Feb 9
 - Feb 16

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Re: Scheduling 9.6

2018-07-27 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 09:20:57PM +0800, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 06:18:06PM +0800, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > It's that time again and I'm aiming for 15th September, i.e. freeze on
> > 8th September. Please indicate your availablility out of:
> > 
> >  - Sept 8th (freeze on the 1st, bit early)
> >  - Sept 15th (ideal)
> >  - Sept 22nd
> 
> None of these work for CDs; let's try for 28th September, and meanwhile we
> have schemed to fix the CD SPOF :)

Um, that's Saturday 29th Sept of course. Debconf beer gd


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Re: Scheduling 9.6

2018-07-27 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 06:18:06PM +0800, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It's that time again and I'm aiming for 15th September, i.e. freeze on
> 8th September. Please indicate your availablility out of:
> 
>  - Sept 8th (freeze on the 1st, bit early)
>  - Sept 15th (ideal)
>  - Sept 22nd

None of these work for CDs; let's try for 28th September, and meanwhile we
have schemed to fix the CD SPOF :)


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Scheduling 9.6

2018-07-27 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

It's that time again and I'm aiming for 15th September, i.e. freeze on
8th September. Please indicate your availablility out of:

 - Sept 8th (freeze on the 1st, bit early)
 - Sept 15th (ideal)
 - Sept 22nd

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Upcoming oldstable point release (8.11)

2018-06-03 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

The next and final point release for "jessie" (8.11) is scheduled for
Saturday, June 23rd. Processing of new uploads into
jessie-proposed-updates will be frozen during the preceding weekend.

Following this point release, "jessie" will be end-of-life from the
perspective of the Release Team.

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Re: Scheduling final Jessie point release, 8.11

2018-06-03 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 06:26:08PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>  - 23rd Jun
>  - (30th Jun I already know is impossible, for the sake of completeness)
>  - 7th July

Let's go for 23rd June. I'll send the premliminaries shortly.

Thanks,

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Scheduling 9.5

2018-05-14 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

We're due a point release any day now. Please indicate your availablility
out of:

 - May 26th (meaning freeze this coming weekend, which might be a big ask)
 - Jun 2nd (which may require an unusual SRM)
 - Jun 9th (getting quite a way out of cadence, but maybe that can't be
   helped)

Thanks,

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Scheduling final Jessie point release, 8.11

2018-05-14 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

According to my records main security support for Jessie can end any time
after 17th June. 

So to the security team: do you have a date in mind?

I also presume that LTS will take over the existing security suites as
before. [1] lists the current delta between security and o-p-u-new which
would ideally be as short as possible before the EOL date.

For everyone else, assuming it'll be soon after that date please
indicate your availability from:

 - 23rd Jun
 - (30th Jun I already know is impossible, for the sake of completeness)
 - 7th July

or adjacent Sundays.

1: https://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/missing-security-oldstable.html

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Re: Scheduling 9.3

2017-09-25 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire

On 2017-09-24 17:38, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

Accordingly I'm looking at one of:

25th November
2nd December
9th December (but preferably earlier, or we start gradually extending
  the cycle)


Of course the 25th would be a terrible choice and I should have realised 
that; that leaves the other two.


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Scheduling 9.3

2017-09-24 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

Our target for 9.3 and 8.10 is the first weekend in December (this happily
makes the following target the beginning of February, avoiding the festive
season).

Accordingly I'm looking at one of:

25th November
2nd December
9th December (but preferably earlier, or we start gradually extending
  the cycle)

Please advise your availability.

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Upcoming stable point release (9.2)

2017-09-23 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

The second point release for "stretch" (9.2) is scheduled for Saturday,
October 7th. Processing of new uploads into stretch-proposed-updates will
be frozen during the preceding weekend.

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Re: Scheduling 9.2

2017-09-23 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 02:35:32PM +0800, Cédric Boutillier wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Le 18 septembre 2017 00:25:55 GMT+08:00, "Adam D. Barratt" 
> <a...@adam-barratt.org.uk> a écrit :
> 
> >
> >That currently looks okay for me too.
> >
> >If we're going for that weekend then it would be good to be able to
> >announce as soon as feasible, as it would mean freezing p-u in two
> >weekends time.
> >
> >I note that we're still missing at least an ftp-master response, and it
> >would be worth confirming that publicity are happy (as I'm not sure if
> >Laura's response only covers the initial suggested dates).
> >
> 
> I confirm that the publicity team is fine with the weekend of Oct. 7.

Ok, let's make it 7th. Thanks.



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Re: Scheduling 9.2

2017-09-17 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 09:31:22PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 04:48:14PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm working on dates for 9.2; by a two month cycle we're aiming for around
> >23rd September. How about one of:
> >
> >23rd/24th September
> >30th Septmber/1st October
> 
> I'm out in San Francisco for the week ib between them. I can't do the
> first weekend, but might be able to do the second while
> jetlagged. Another weekend would be preferred, though


Ok, does 7th October work any better?  I'm keen not to get too far adrift
from the interval though.


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Scheduling 9.2

2017-08-27 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

I'm working on dates for 9.2; by a two month cycle we're aiming for around
23rd September. How about one of:

23rd/24th September
30th Septmber/1st October

[SRMs: needs one of you too please :) ]

After discussion with Adam and Steve, we felt it made sense to work on 2
months for stable and 4 months for oldstable; that way there isn't a month
3 to try and fit in betweens. So every other stable update will also be an
oldstable.

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Re: Scheduling 9.1, maybe 8.9

2017-07-08 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 10:53:09AM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> On Sat, 2017-07-08 at 00:51 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 02, 2017 at 09:53:13PM +0100, Adam Barratt wrote:
> > >[sorry for the delay in replying]
> > >
> > >On Sun, 2017-06-25 at 20:10 +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >> 
> > >> A month or so from 9.0 bring us to about 15th July. How would any of 
> > >> these
> > >> suit? Is 8.9 at the same time feasible?
> > >
> > >It's worked before.
> > >
> > >> 8/9 July (probably a bit soon)
> > >
> > >Definitely now too soon, and didn't really work for me anyway.
> > >
> > >> 15/16 July
> > >> 22/23 July
> > >> 
> > >> [SRMs: needs one of you too please :) ]
> > >
> > >One of those should work for me. Working out which is currently blocking
> > >on other people. :|
> > 
> > Can we get a decision please? Summer weekends are busy...
> 
> Yes, sorry. :-( So are Summer weekdays it would appear.
> 
> Based on the other responses received, it looks like the only logical
> answer is the 22nd, closing {o,}pu-new next weekend.

Yes; let's make it that unless there are any objections.

Thanks.

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Scheduling 9.1, maybe 8.9

2017-06-25 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Hi,

A month or so from 9.0 bring us to about 15th July. How would any of these
suit? Is 8.9 at the same time feasible?

8/9 July (probably a bit soon)
15/16 July
22/23 July

[SRMs: needs one of you too please :) ]

Thanks,

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Re: Squeeze point release (6.0.5)

2012-04-25 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 09:22:12PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 09:06:01PM +0100, Adam Barratt wrote:
 May 12/13: York BSP.  Probably not the best time for CDs, given that
 Steve would be at the wrong end of the country.  (As will I, but that's
 less of an issue)
 
 Not a *major* problem for a point release, but it will slow down the
 CD release until I can test.

On the other hand, you should have at least a few willing vict^w^w helpers
in the same place to test CDs with you, which might even speed things up.


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Bug#589477: cdimage.debian.org: jigdo content search: host not found

2010-07-17 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Package: cdimage.debian.org
Severity: important

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Hash: SHA1

The section Search Contents of .jigdo Files [1] does not function at all
currently.

It seems the target of this form is on a host atterer.net [2] whose domain
registration expired in 2009. The host no longer has DNS entries so a generic
error is displayed by the browser.

1: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search
2: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=


- -- System Information:
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

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iEYEARECAAYFAkxCUwgACgkQymvqPtuAC1JELACfTP4xkTUEKf+TQPVnf31K5I7Y
Z0UAn0gIQ7lIB/kEHykY3yMeAx4SxYnr
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Bug#517982: debian-cd: rsync address for www.mirrorservice.org is incorrect

2009-03-03 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
Package: debian-cd
Severity: minor

URL: http://debian.org/CD/mirroring/rsync-mirrors

While pulling an rsync of the CD images from this GB mirror, the banner
indicates:

Welcome to the University of Kent's UK Mirror Service
snip
Please use rsync.mirrorservice.org for rsync access rather than
ftp.mirrorservice.org.

However, the DNS records for both addresses are currently identical, so this 
should just be a change to protect us in future.



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