What's in squeeze DVD #1 was Re: lack of gnome on squeeze CD #1
In-line :- On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 03:57, Adam D. Barratt a...@adam-barratt.org.uk wrote: On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 20:01 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 05 décembre 2010 à 14:02 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : How should I name the new metapackage? My first thought is just to move these packages from gnome-desktop-environment to gnome-core, and to make gnome-core the key package. snipped for brevity Hi all, First of all sorry for jumping on the thread. I thought I read the interesting thread, and thought it was a better idea . I downloaded squeeze beta 1 about a month ago. At that point in time, the documentation about the DVD read something similar to this :- 1. It includes standard Debian CD installation + languages (it was not specifically written like that but atleast I perceived it to be like that, the word usage I don't remember). and I was sorta disappointed to download the whole DVD as I didn't want the other languages but more utilities (like network-manager, wvdial and most networking and troubleshooting tools) Now from this discussion I am curious to know what metapackages are inside say the beta2-DVD1 ? Looking forward for answers. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=wf+7kx2r=v3kwptqzfsqvx+rt_n5lkmyhx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: lack of gnome on squeeze CD #1
Josselin Mouette wrote: Where can that list be found? It looks correct, but different from the one in tasksel. That is the Key packages from the gnome-desktop and desktop tasks in tasksel. So one of the solutions would be to ditch Recommends. I was wrong about recommends being included currently. Full GNOME is already not included, since that would be the “gnome” package, not “gnome-desktop-environment”. Well, that is included in the task as a non-key package, so is downloaded if possible. (And should be included on the DVD, assuming all of gnome fits on a DVD :) If you really want to make it fit on a CD, we could use the following list instead of the one above: gnome-core dmz-cursor-theme epiphany-browser (or iceweasel, but epiphany should be smaller) gdm3 desktop-base evince file-roller gnome-about gnome-keyring gnome-screensaver gnome-themes gnome-user-guide gtk2-engines gvfs-backends libgnome2-perl (unless someone finally fixes #542175) policykit-1-gnome gnome-disk-utility And if possible: gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good totem evolution I can make a metapackage out of this list if it can help. We should probably do that. That's enough of gnome not to be laughable? (network-manager-gnome seems to not be included in that, but then it's recommended by the gnome-metapackage so would not be included from the current gnome-desktop-enviromnent using task either, if installing w/o a network, I think..) Rough size numbers (probably 20 mb or more off in some direction): i386amd64 available space on CD #1 for gnome 372 mb 392 mb - gnome-desktop-environment with recommends 543 mb 584 mb gnome-desktop-environment no recommends366 mb 394 mb list 1+2 with recommends 411 mb 436 mb list 1+2 no recommends 257 mb 279 mb list 1 with recommends 307 mb 332 mb list 1 no recommends 214 mb 236 mb -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: lack of gnome on squeeze CD #1
Josselin Mouette wrote: This would need to be tested, but 1+2 without recommends sounds like the good thing to add. We could remove the mail client (evolution) if it turns out too big, nowadays the media player looks more important. I'm testing 1+2 in tasksel 2.87 and we can move the list back into a metapackage if it works. (Uploaded; hopefully the next build of the CD will have the change.) How should I name the new metapackage? My first thought is just to move these packages from gnome-desktop-environment to gnome-core, and to make gnome-core the key package. Sounds ok to me. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: lack of gnome on squeeze CD #1
Le dimanche 05 décembre 2010 à 14:02 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : How should I name the new metapackage? My first thought is just to move these packages from gnome-desktop-environment to gnome-core, and to make gnome-core the key package. Sounds ok to me. I’ve uploaded meta-gnome2 1:2.30+7 with the proposed changes, except for: * gdm3: you’ll still have to add it in tasksel * libgnome2-perl, which on second thought is mostly useless without synaptic Please unblock. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: lack of gnome on squeeze CD #1
On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 20:01 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 05 décembre 2010 à 14:02 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : How should I name the new metapackage? My first thought is just to move these packages from gnome-desktop-environment to gnome-core, and to make gnome-core the key package. Sounds ok to me. I’ve uploaded meta-gnome2 1:2.30+7 with the proposed changes, except for: * gdm3: you’ll still have to add it in tasksel * libgnome2-perl, which on second thought is mostly useless without synaptic Please unblock. Unblocked by Mehdi. Regards, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1291588023.3905.5383.ca...@hathi.jungle.funky-badger.org
lack of gnome on squeeze CD #1
The squeeze CD #1 [a], which is probably still one of the most commonly mass-produced Debian CDs, no longer contains the Gnome desktop environment, or any self-contained working desktop environment. I believe the multiarch CD [b] also lacks a DE. I wanted to bring this to the attention of the desktop and gnome team, who presumably might care, since I have seen mentions of it, but nobody taking action to fix this. Apparently the desktop task is just too large for the CD now. The minimum packages that *must* be on the CD for the desktop task to be offered at all are as follows: gnome-desktop-environment xorg xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all desktop-base menu iceweasel Some of this could be trimmed, but not much. All told, it comes to 551 MB of packages. Leaving out the last 2 packages from the list, it's 550 MB of packages. Leaving out Recommends, 405 MB. IIRC, debian-cd currently treats Recommends like Depends, and always includes them. So, some options: 1. Ship squeeze with a CD that requires a fast network to be useful. Sorta like the netinst CD, but bigger. The default choice. 2. Switch the first CD to be the KDE CD [c], or the XFCE+LXDE CD [d]. 3. Find a way to make gnome fit. One way would be to make it include only a subset of the gnome-desktop-environment task. (Full GNOME would still be downloaded from a mirror if a mirror was available.) Or try to trim back the recommends either in debian-cd or otherwise. 4. Find some other creative solution. For example, we could pack CD #1 full of useful text-mode tools, recovery tools, net admin tools etc, and round it out with the top packages from popcon and make it a sysadmin dream CD. (I think #1 is a pretty dreadful choice. Even on a moderatly fast network, downloading all that stuff was going to use another hour of my time this evening. If this happens we should IMHO deprecate use the CD #1 in all documentation and recommend another CD or DVD.) [a] http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-beta1-i386-CD-1.iso [b] http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-beta1-amd64-i386-powerpc-netinst.iso [c] http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-beta1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso [d] http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-beta1-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
