Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-05-09 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Thu, May 05, 2022 at 03:09:23PM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Paul" == Paul Gevers writes: > > Paul> I fear my legal language is just not good enough. What are you > Paul> afraid of? And are you already afraid of that in the current > Paul> situation where we are already

Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-05-05 Thread hartm...@debian.org via RT
> "Paul" == Paul Gevers writes: Paul> I fear my legal language is just not good enough. What are you Paul> afraid of? And are you already afraid of that in the current Paul> situation where we are already using the Huawei provided Paul> workers or only if we went ahead and we

Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-05-05 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Paul" == Paul Gevers writes: Paul> I fear my legal language is just not good enough. What are you Paul> afraid of? And are you already afraid of that in the current Paul> situation where we are already using the Huawei provided Paul> workers or only if we went ahead and we

Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-05-05 Thread elb...@debian.org via RT
Hi, On 25-04-2022 19:27, Ross Vandegrift via RT wrote: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 08:52:25AM -0400, Jonathan Carter via RT wrote: >> On 2022/04/24 19:53, Bastian Blank via RT wrote: >>> It turns out, SPI can't help here. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions >>> list. >> >> So, time to forward the

Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-05-05 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, On 25-04-2022 19:27, Ross Vandegrift via RT wrote: On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 08:52:25AM -0400, Jonathan Carter via RT wrote: On 2022/04/24 19:53, Bastian Blank via RT wrote: It turns out, SPI can't help here. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions list. So, time to forward the request to

Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-25 Thread Bastian Blank via RT
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 02:52:14PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2022/04/24 19:53, Bastian Blank via RT wrote: > > It turns out, SPI can't help here. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions > > list. > So, time to forward the request to Debian Switzerland instead then? Switzerland is not on the

Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-25 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 02:52:14PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2022/04/24 19:53, Bastian Blank via RT wrote: > > It turns out, SPI can't help here. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions > > list. > So, time to forward the request to Debian Switzerland instead then? Switzerland is not on the

Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-25 Thread Ross Vandegrift via RT
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 08:52:25AM -0400, Jonathan Carter via RT wrote: > On 2022/04/24 19:53, Bastian Blank via RT wrote: > > It turns out, SPI can't help here. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions > > list. > > So, time to forward the request to Debian Switzerland instead then? I'd appreciate

Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-25 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 08:52:25AM -0400, Jonathan Carter via RT wrote: > On 2022/04/24 19:53, Bastian Blank via RT wrote: > > It turns out, SPI can't help here. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions > > list. > > So, time to forward the request to Debian Switzerland instead then? I'd appreciate

Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-25 Thread Jonathan Carter via RT
On 2022/04/24 19:53, Bastian Blank via RT wrote: > It turns out, SPI can't help here. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions > list. So, time to forward the request to Debian Switzerland instead then? -Jonathan

Re: [BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-25 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2022/04/24 19:53, Bastian Blank via RT wrote: It turns out, SPI can't help here. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions list. So, time to forward the request to Debian Switzerland instead then? -Jonathan

[BOARD #5526] Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-24 Thread Bastian Blank via RT
Hi Hector On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 04:05:48PM -0400, Héctor Orón via RT wrote: > What is needed from SPI? Are there documents to sign or licenses to accept? It turns out, SPI can't help here. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions list. Regards, Bastian -- Bones: "The man's DEAD, Jim!"

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-24 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi Hector On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 04:05:48PM -0400, Héctor Orón via RT wrote: > What is needed from SPI? Are there documents to sign or licenses to accept? It turns out, SPI can't help here. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions list. Regards, Bastian -- Bones: "The man's DEAD, Jim!"

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-22 Thread Bastian Blank
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 06:37:59PM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: > YMMV of course. My assessment was: | However. Huawei Cloud is on the US sanctions list. And trying to | actually create an account explicitly states that Europe and Russia are | not allowed. So it seems that all three trusted

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-21 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Bastian" == Bastian Blank writes: Bastian> Not in my case. In my case it explicitly tells me: >> Services are available in the following countries/regions. Bastian> And only a short list shows up. So, even if Huawei will let us register, would it be legal for SPI? I think

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-21 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 06:39:47PM +0800, Aron Xu wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 6:09 AM Bastian Blank wrote: > > Notably, the list does not contain a single country of Europe, nor the > > USA or Canada. However thats where the Debian trusted orgs are located > > in. > I checked that they

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-21 Thread Aron Xu
Hi, On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 6:09 AM Bastian Blank wrote: > > Hi > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 09:49:11PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > > >>> In your opinion, > > >>> should we do the same for the Huawei platform? > > > It will make it easier to have uninterupted access, esp as people in > > >

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-20 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 09:49:11PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > >>> In your opinion, > >>> should we do the same for the Huawei platform? > > It will make it easier to have uninterupted access, esp as people in > > Debian are coming and going. So if we want to use it for longer, > >

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-08 Thread Ross Vandegrift via RT
On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 08:19:43PM +0800, Aron Xu wrote: > > On 2022/04/01 20:24, Ross Vandegrift via RT wrote: > > > I'm not familiar with Huawei's cloud, so I can't offer any specific > > > advice - but in general, I don't think so. Here's my understanding. > > > > > > If Debian delegates

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-08 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 08:19:43PM +0800, Aron Xu wrote: > > On 2022/04/01 20:24, Ross Vandegrift via RT wrote: > > > I'm not familiar with Huawei's cloud, so I can't offer any specific > > > advice - but in general, I don't think so. Here's my understanding. > > > > > > If Debian delegates

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-08 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 01:59:23PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2022/04/01 20:24, Ross Vandegrift via RT wrote: > > I'm not familiar with Huawei's cloud, so I can't offer any specific > > advice - but in general, I don't think so. Here's my understanding. > > > > If Debian delegates

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-05 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Ross On 2022/04/01 20:24, Ross Vandegrift via RT wrote: I'm not familiar with Huawei's cloud, so I can't offer any specific advice - but in general, I don't think so. Here's my understanding. If Debian delegates creation, then Debian or an individual member owns the account - not SPI. We

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-05 Thread Aron Xu via RT
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 7:59 PM Jonathan Carter via RT wrote: > > Hi Ross > > On 2022/04/01 20:24, Ross Vandegrift via RT wrote: > > I'm not familiar with Huawei's cloud, so I can't offer any specific > > advice - but in general, I don't think so. Here's my understanding. > > > > If Debian

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-05 Thread Jonathan Carter via RT
Hi Ross On 2022/04/01 20:24, Ross Vandegrift via RT wrote: > I'm not familiar with Huawei's cloud, so I can't offer any specific > advice - but in general, I don't think so. Here's my understanding. > > If Debian delegates creation, then Debian or an individual member owns > the account - not

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-05 Thread Aron Xu
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 7:59 PM Jonathan Carter via RT wrote: > > Hi Ross > > On 2022/04/01 20:24, Ross Vandegrift via RT wrote: > > I'm not familiar with Huawei's cloud, so I can't offer any specific > > advice - but in general, I don't think so. Here's my understanding. > > > > If Debian

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-01 Thread Bastian Blank
[Removing treasurer@, as this discussion is not relevant to SPI, until we have an idea about it] Hi Jonathan On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 07:18:30PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Would it work to update the cloud team delegation so that the cloud team can > create and manage this account, and then

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-01 Thread Ross Vandegrift via RT
On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 01:18:43PM -0400, Jonathan Carter via RT wrote: > On 2022/04/01 19:14, Aron Xu via RT wrote: > > I don't think there is a contract to actually "sign on the paper", > > what we need is to create an account on the cloud service platform > > owned by Debian or SPI, which there

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-01 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 01:18:43PM -0400, Jonathan Carter via RT wrote: > On 2022/04/01 19:14, Aron Xu via RT wrote: > > I don't think there is a contract to actually "sign on the paper", > > what we need is to create an account on the cloud service platform > > owned by Debian or SPI, which there

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-01 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2022/04/01 19:14, Aron Xu via RT wrote: I don't think there is a contract to actually "sign on the paper", what we need is to create an account on the cloud service platform owned by Debian or SPI, which there will be a service agreement to agree with. Huawei does not ask to sign a separate

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-01 Thread Jonathan Carter via RT
On 2022/04/01 19:14, Aron Xu via RT wrote: > I don't think there is a contract to actually "sign on the paper", > what we need is to create an account on the cloud service platform > owned by Debian or SPI, which there will be a service agreement to > agree with. Huawei does not ask to sign a

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-01 Thread Aron Xu via RT
Hi, On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 5:42 AM Héctor Orón via RT wrote: > > Hello, > > On Thu Mar 31 16:44:16 2022, wa...@debian.org wrote: > > Hi Hector > > > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 04:05:48PM -0400, Héctor Orón via RT wrote: > > > What is needed from SPI? Are there documents to sign or licenses to >

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-04-01 Thread Aron Xu
Hi, On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 5:42 AM Héctor Orón via RT wrote: > > Hello, > > On Thu Mar 31 16:44:16 2022, wa...@debian.org wrote: > > Hi Hector > > > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 04:05:48PM -0400, Héctor Orón via RT wrote: > > > What is needed from SPI? Are there documents to sign or licenses to >

[TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-03-31 Thread Héctor Orón via RT
Hello, On Thu Mar 31 16:44:16 2022, wa...@debian.org wrote: > Hi Hector > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 04:05:48PM -0400, Héctor Orón via RT wrote: > > What is needed from SPI? Are there documents to sign or licenses to > > accept? > > Yeah. SPI needs to hold the contract with the vendor. So sign

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-03-31 Thread Bastian Blank via RT
Hi Hector On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 04:05:48PM -0400, Héctor Orón via RT wrote: > What is needed from SPI? Are there documents to sign or licenses to accept? Yeah. SPI needs to hold the contract with the vendor. So sign it somwhow. > >From the pure technical aspect, it should be fine for Debian

Re: [TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-03-31 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi Hector On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 04:05:48PM -0400, Héctor Orón via RT wrote: > What is needed from SPI? Are there documents to sign or licenses to accept? Yeah. SPI needs to hold the contract with the vendor. So sign it somwhow. > >From the pure technical aspect, it should be fine for Debian

[TREASURER #5526] Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-03-31 Thread Héctor Orón via RT
Hello, On Tue Mar 29 14:00:30 2022, jcc wrote: > Hi Martin / SPI > > On 2022/02/17 13:58, Paul Gevers wrote: > > For ci.debian.net we have several hosts at Huawei sponsored by them. We > > (Aron, who arranged the sponsorship and manages the account and the > > debian-ci team) would like to

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-03-29 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2022/03/29 19:48, Paul Gevers wrote: On 17-02-2022 12:58, Paul Gevers wrote: For ci.debian.net we have several hosts at Huawei sponsored by them. We (Aron, who arranged the sponsorship and manages the account and the debian-ci team) would like to manage the resources in an account

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-03-29 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Martin / SPI On 2022/02/17 13:58, Paul Gevers wrote: For ci.debian.net we have several hosts at Huawei sponsored by them. We (Aron, who arranged the sponsorship and manages the account and the debian-ci team) would like to manage the resources in an account associated with Debian. I

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-03-29 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Jonathan, On 17-02-2022 12:58, Paul Gevers wrote: For ci.debian.net we have several hosts at Huawei sponsored by them. We (Aron, who arranged the sponsorship and manages the account and the debian-ci team) would like to manage the resources in an account associated with Debian. I brought

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2022-02-17 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Jonathan, For ci.debian.net we have several hosts at Huawei sponsored by them. We (Aron, who arranged the sponsorship and manages the account and the debian-ci team) would like to manage the resources in an account associated with Debian. I brought the subject up in the past (see some of

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2021-08-24 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 8/24/21 9:49 PM, Paul Gevers wrote: > Hi Bastian, Aron, > > On 24-08-2021 15:56, Bastian Blank wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:31:24AM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: As I understand, the account for AWS is "owned" by SPI. >> >> SPI "owns" several resources for Debian. This is

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2021-08-24 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Bastian, Aron, On 24-08-2021 15:56, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:31:24AM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: >>> As I >>> understand, the account for AWS is "owned" by SPI. > > SPI "owns" several resources for Debian. This is primary relevant for > the things that must not go

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2021-08-24 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi Paul On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:31:24AM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: >> As I >> understand, the account for AWS is "owned" by SPI. SPI "owns" several resources for Debian. This is primary relevant for the things that must not go away, like our published images. >> In your opinion, >> should we

Re: managing Huawei accounts

2021-08-24 Thread Paul Gevers
[resending with the right address of Aron.] On 24-08-2021 11:24, Paul Gevers wrote: > Dear cloud team, > > I'm currently discussing with happyaron about an account for > ci.debian.net to manage the resources we have at Huawei. As I > understand, the account for AWS is "owned" by SPI. In your