Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-08 Thread Thomas Lange
> On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:34:07 -0700, Noah Meyerhans said: > delegates than is ideal? For their official duties, I'm not sure that > the workload is going to increase materially if we operate with only two > people, but I could be wrong. Would the current delegates like to >

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-07 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 01:34:07PM -0700, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > For their official duties, I'm not sure that the workload is going to > increase materially if we operate with only two people, but I could be wrong. > Would the current delegates like to comment? The official workload is small.

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-04 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 11:16:10AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > I very much prefer a conversation along the line of "we have no choice, > there's nobody else" rather than denying any possible conflict of > interest. Even more, if we were to say: let's break the rule > temporarily, until we have

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-04 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 6/4/20 7:51 AM, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > I'm conerned that we won't find another delegate. IIRC there were only three > eligible Debian members at the most recent sprint, and one has left the team. > So I'd like to consider other ways to protect ourselves, while opening the > delegation up to

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi all, I am not active anymore, but I have been witnessing the professionalisation of Debian's cloud activities... Speaking with my experience of Policy delegate, one problem with formal delegation is what to do when a large proportion of the delegates is barely active. With volunteers it is

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-04 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 10:51:02PM -0700, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > Hi Luca, > > On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 11:22:26PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > > I would like there never to be a situtation where one person or consultancy > > controls Debian's presence on a platform, even if that person is

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-04 Thread Marcin Kulisz
On 4 June 2020 05:04:19 BST, Noah Meyerhans wrote: >On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 11:22:26PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: >> > > We're afraid of conflict of interest. There's been multiple times >where >> > > we saw it could happen, and by having the delegates not involved >with a >> > > provider,

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-04 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 02:41:40AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > It's been tempting on nearly every meeting that the team bypasses the > Debian policy, and customizes the images with software backported from > testing, and still call that Debian stable. It took a lot of explanation > from Steve

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-04 Thread Ross Vandegrift
Hi Luca, On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 11:22:26PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > I would like there never to be a situtation where one person or consultancy > controls Debian's presence on a platform, even if that person is employed by > the owner of said platform. I think I agree, but want to make

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-03 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 11:22:26PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > > > We're afraid of conflict of interest. There's been multiple times where > > > we saw it could happen, and by having the delegates not involved with a > > > provider, we're hoping to reduce that risk. > > > > Can you cite a

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-03 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 02:41:40AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> We're afraid of conflict of interest. There's been multiple times where > >> we saw it could happen, and by having the delegates not involved with a > >> provider, we're hoping to reduce that risk. > > > > Can you cite a

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-03 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 6/4/20 12:54 AM, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 12:42:47AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> IMHO, this requirement makes more difficult to find as someone from the >>> people, as AFAIK many of us are working in a way for a cloud provider, >>> or a partner. >>> >>> What are we

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-03 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 03:54:18PM -0700, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 12:42:47AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > > IMHO, this requirement makes more difficult to find as someone from the > > > people, as AFAIK many of us are working in a way for a cloud provider, > > > or a

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-03 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 12:42:47AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > IMHO, this requirement makes more difficult to find as someone from the > > people, as AFAIK many of us are working in a way for a cloud provider, > > or a partner. > > > > What are we actually afraid of here ? As far as the

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-03 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 6/3/20 11:38 PM, Emmanuel Kasper wrote: > Le 03/06/2020 à 10:50, Bastian Blank a écrit : >> Hi >> >> On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 10:40:05AM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: >>> We might need to explain this to Jonathan: Two or three years back the >>> Debian Cloud team agreed on an internal policy

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-03 Thread Emmanuel Kasper
Le 03/06/2020 à 10:50, Bastian Blank a écrit : > Hi > > On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 10:40:05AM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: >> We might need to explain this to Jonathan: Two or three years back the >> Debian Cloud team agreed on an internal policy during a face-to-face in >> Seattle that

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-03 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 10:40:05AM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > We might need to explain this to Jonathan: Two or three years back the > Debian Cloud team agreed on an internal policy during a face-to-face in > Seattle that delegates should neither be employees of the cloud > providers

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-03 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi Jonathan, hi Ross, On Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 22:41:42 -0700, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 06:02:24PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > Dear Cloud Team > > > > Tomasz has resigned from the Cloud team, have you considered a > > replacement for him in the team delegation? > > >

Re: Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-02 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 06:02:24PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Dear Cloud Team > > Tomasz has resigned from the Cloud team, have you considered a > replacement for him in the team delegation? > > Do you need any assistance or help with re-staffing? I have one idea for replacement, if the

Debian Cloud Team delegation updates

2020-06-02 Thread Jonathan Carter
Dear Cloud Team Tomasz has resigned from the Cloud team, have you considered a replacement for him in the team delegation? Do you need any assistance or help with re-staffing? Please let me know. thanks, -Jonathan, Debian Project Leader -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁