Re: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[David Prévot]

Le 22/09/2016 à 01:08, Sam Hartman a écrit :
>> "Xavier" == Xavier Bestel  writes:
> Xavier> Le mardi 20 septembre 2016 à 19:38 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff

> >> > * Package name: nextcloud

> >> Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it
> >> properly.  Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.
> 
> Xavier> OK, I understand the "official" debian point of view.
> 
> I don't think this is an official Debian POV, simply the opinion of some
> Debian contributors...

Moritz is an active and well known member of the security team. As the
current (or previous…) almost only maintainer of owncloud in Debian, I
do agree with this (strong) advice.

The current ownCloud upstream maintainers reached back to us a few
months ago and are willing to help (or at least not be as obnoxious as
the ones who drove the package away from Debian, and are now gone in the
nextcloud fork team). If someone wants the owncloud package back, I
suggest them to join the current packaging team and eventually take over.

Regards

David



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Re: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Sam Hartman]

> "Xavier" == Xavier Bestel  writes:

Xavier> Le mardi 20 septembre 2016 à 19:38 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff
Xavier> a écrit :
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:02:59PM +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
>> > 
>> > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist
>> > 
>> > * Package name: nextcloud
Xavier> [...]
>> > Given that Nextcloud is an Owncloud fork, with the same people
>> > behind it, and that Owncloud upstream has always had a
>> difficult > relationship with distro maintainers, there may be
>> problems for > packaging that correctly.  > But Nextcloud is
>> still a highly relevant package for Debian.
>> 
>> Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it
>> properly.  Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.

Xavier> OK, I understand the "official" debian point of view.

I don't think this is an official Debian POV, simply the opinion of some
Debian contributors...  Well, I think it is the official Debian POV that
in order to include a package, we need to be able to support it.
Whether we will or will not be able to support nextcloud is up to
interpretation.

>From a user standpoint, having something that has the functionality of
opencloud/nextcloud is quite important in the enterprise space.
However, we do need to be able to get things to work.

--Sam

Re: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Xavier Bestel]

Le mardi 20 septembre 2016 à 19:38 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff a écrit :
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:02:59PM +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > 
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > 
> > * Package name: nextcloud
[...]
> > Given that Nextcloud is an Owncloud fork, with the same people
> > behind it, and that Owncloud upstream has always had a difficult
> > relationship with distro maintainers, there may be problems for
> > packaging that correctly.
> > But Nextcloud is still a highly relevant package for Debian.
> 
> Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it properly.
> Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.

OK, I understand the "official" debian point of view.

Regards,
Xav

Re: RFP: nextcloud -- self-hosted cloud services

[Moritz Mühlenhoff]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:02:59PM +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> * Package name: nextcloud
>   Version : 9
>   Upstream Author : Frank Karlitschek 
> * URL : https://www.nextcloud.com/
> * License : AGPL
>   Programming Lang: PHP
>   Description : self-hosted cloud services
> 
> Nextcloud gives you a private, secure way to share, work with others and 
> access your own data using an easy to use interface. Be it music, calendar 
> appointments, bookmarks, email or your documents, Nextcloud keeps your data 
> safe.
> Nextcloud gives organizations control over their data. Manage access to data 
> and communication across devices and platforms, on-premise, on existing 
> storage or with cloud storage. Nextcloud integrates in your infrastructure, 
> offering the extensibility and features you need.
> 
> Given that Nextcloud is an Owncloud fork, with the same people behind it, and 
> that Owncloud upstream has always had a difficult relationship with distro 
> maintainers, there may be problems for packaging that correctly.
> But Nextcloud is still a highly relevant package for Debian.

Nack. It's not an important package if we can't support it properly.
Let's not repeat the owncloud disaster.

Cheers,
Moritz