Re: Bug#681834: network-manager, gnome, Recommends vs Depends

2012-08-08 Thread Ian Jackson
Tollef Fog Heen writes (Re: Bug#681834: network-manager, gnome, Recommends vs Depends): Ian Jackson : It seems to me that our objectives must include: [...] 3. Users who deliberately removed network-manager in squeeze (which they will generally have done by deliberately violating the

Bug#681834: network-manager, gnome, Recommends vs Depends

2012-08-08 Thread Ian Jackson
How about this: Whereas: 1. Our technical objectives are: (i) Users who do not do anything special should get network-manager along with gnome (in this case, along with gnome-core). These users should continue to have network-manager installed, across upgrades.

Bug#681834: network-manager, gnome, Recommends vs Depends

2012-08-08 Thread Ian Jackson
Julian Andres Klode writes (Re: Bug#681834: network-manager, gnome, Recommends vs Depends): I propose that you consider to have the gnome-core and gnome packages moved to the metapackages section of the archive. This will cause APT to mark the packages they depend on as manually installed,

Re: Bug#681834: network-manager, gnome, Recommends vs Depends

2012-08-08 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Jackson Whereas: 1. Our technical objectives are: These objectives and the anti-objectives further down seem a bit random to me, written more to fit the end goal than actually showing what the objectives are. [...] (ii) Users should be able to conveniently install and

Re: Bug#681834: network-manager, gnome, Recommends vs Depends

2012-08-08 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 04:54:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: 2. Our technical objectives do NOT include: [...] (iii) Users who choose to globally disable Recommends should still get the desired behaviours as described above in point 1. This whole NOT part is very confusing to

Re: Bug#681834: network-manager, gnome, Recommends vs Depends

2012-08-08 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Russ Allbery Hi, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: How about this: This doesn't feel quite right to me, but I'm not sure how to phrase my feeling in terms of specific objections. Let me try to instead draft the sort of statement that I feel like I want to make