Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

2014-02-10 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 9 février 2014, 13.02:21 Steve Langasek a écrit : On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 02:07:56PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le vendredi, 7 février 2014, 14.27:25 Steve Langasek a écrit : (…), what I've seen suggests that systemd integration is currently in a state that would

Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-10 Thread Craig Bransworth
Please a GR to override this bullshit. There are 100 people who have chosen to use systemd. Yet they override everyone else because they are in the right position. Fuck systemd from the bottom of my heart. Fuck it. Fuck it. FUCK SYSTEMD. I do not want to learn systemd. I do not want to deal

Bug#727708: A general resolution is needed. The 100 systemd users shouldn't be able to take over debian linux. They're in the right place, but their decision to foist this on us should be overruled.

2014-02-10 Thread craigbr
A general resolution is needed. The 100 systemd users shouldn't be able to take over debian linux. They're in the right place at the right time (they always seem to be), but their decision to foist this on us should be overruled. The systemd developers and supporters seek to enforce their vision

Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-10 Thread Olav Vitters
oops.. that was supposed to be a private message, sorry for the noise. Please remove this one and my previous one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Bug#727708: #727708

2014-02-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi please consider ENTIRELY disallowing any mail to that bug, except for the few CTTE members, no exceptions. Nothing there currently is of any help, nor providing any new information. Should the CTTE want someone external to add, either you can manually allow them - there shouldn't really

Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-10 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Craig Bransworth craigbranswo...@aim.com wrote: In the end there will be nothing but systemd. To make this possible steve lan needs to be moved out of the way for a clean victory for the new way(TM!). I'm one of the vocal and outspoken systemd advocates. Your

Bug#727708: Fsk SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-10 Thread craigbr
Please a GR to override this bullshit. There are 100 people who have chosen to use systemd. Yet they override everyone else because they are in the right position.

Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-10 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Olav Vitters dixit: References to religion and second world war? Really? You expect people to listen to such bullshit? Also, as a German, I’m affronted by Craig’s comment. After all, Hitler was Austrian, not even German. Fairly easy to assign everything to conspiracy and say systemd advocates

Bug#727708: #727708

2014-02-10 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am 10.02.2014 13:18 schrieb Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org: Hi please consider ENTIRELY disallowing any mail to that bug, except for the few CTTE members, no exceptions. Nothing there currently is of any help, nor providing any new information. I second that, at least for some time doing

Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-10 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 10 February 2014 11:37, Craig Bransworth craigbranswo...@aim.com wrote: Please a GR to override this ... The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from

Re: call for votes on default Linux init system for jessie

2014-02-10 Thread Dmitry E. Oboukhov
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Bug#727708: Great article against systemd (note: you'll be banned if you respond to this mail, like my other acct was).

2014-02-10 Thread crgibrw
That was a great article against systemd (note: you'll be banned if you respond to this mail, like my other acct was): (ewontfix.com/14/). Thanks for posting it. Note: do not respond to this email, you'll probably be banned. SystemD fanbois are rooted deep in every linux distro. They get their

Bug#727708: Great article against systemd (note: you'll be banned if you respond to this mail, like my other acct was).

2014-02-10 Thread Mikhail Krutov
Even when I dislike systemd approach, you act as a spammer and you annoy people. This is the reason you are banned, not the paranoidal crap with systemd fanboys blah blah blah. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:44 PM, crgi...@hushmail.com wrote: That was a great article against systemd (note: you'll

Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-10 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014, Craig Bransworth wrote: Fuck systemd from the bottom of my heart. Fuck it. Fuck it. FUCK SYSTEMD. I do not want to learn systemd. I do not want to deal with systemd. I hate the way it does things. I hate the way their community works. Hi Craig. And thank you

Bug#727708: Great article against systemd (note: you'll be banned if you respond to this mail, like my other acct was).

2014-02-10 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Lets ban this crgibrw guy like *forever*. Thanks. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mikhail Krutov nekoxmach...@gmail.comwrote: Even when I dislike systemd approach, you act as a spammer and you annoy people. This is the reason you are banned, not the paranoidal crap with systemd fanboys

Re: Bug#727708: Removal of Ian Jackson from TC

2014-02-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Hi Jason, I appreciate the intent behind your message and the concern that you're expressing. However, I think lack of context has led you into making a large number of assumptions that are not correct. Since I've seen similar things from other people who are not as familiar with the background

Bug#727708: Strange

2014-02-10 Thread Bozhan Boiadzhiev
Is it very strange to me that Debian developers and TC decide to choose for Debian GNU/Linux systemd, init system that is developed by developer who is notorious with his project specially Pulseaudio. What if we reach a state when our servers( of devoted debian users) won't start after upgrade and

Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-10 Thread Fklennart Pottering
It is pretty ridiculous to me to consider the basic plumbing on the system as replaceable as the thing that decides where on the screen my shortcut to Google search for lolcatz goes. Perhaps that is just me though. ;) See, systemd pushers are always trying to make their thing the only thing.

Bug#727708: Strange

2014-02-10 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
Since you're having trouble booting your system, can you please report a bug with your setup and how to reproduce? On Feb 10, 2014 5:57 PM, Bozhan Boiadzhiev boz...@gmail.com wrote: Is it very strange to me that Debian developers and TC decide to choose for Debian GNU/Linux systemd, init system

Bug#727708: PLEASE GR to override this forcing of Lennart Potterings BULLSHIT. Or Fork debian.

2014-02-10 Thread fklennartpottering
It is pretty ridiculous to me to consider the basic plumbing on the system as replaceable as the thing that decides where on the screen my shortcut to Google search for lolcatz goes. Perhaps that is just me though. ;) See, systemd pushers are always trying to make their thing the only thing. We

Call to fork

2014-02-10 Thread debianfan
I would like to propose forking Debian if the ctte committee selects systemd as it is nothing more than a systemic disease granting RedHat too much control over the entire community. Someone needs to stand up and say enough is enough. Stop drinking johnson fruit punch and just move to openrc,

Re: Call to fork

2014-02-10 Thread Sam Hartman
debianfan == debianfan debian...@hushmail.com writes: debianfanI would like to propose forking Debian if the ctte debianfan committee selects systemd It's with great hesitation that I jump in here, and I know what I'm doing is wrong. I hope I've earned enough credibility over the

Bug#727708: Strange

2014-02-10 Thread Mikhail Krutov
E.g., stable system (always-has-been-stable) debian proposes not to try to avoid problems (e.g. by not choosing stuff that needs to reboot your pc when upgrading non-kernel), but to wait for them and only then tell about them? Feels rather strange. On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Paul R.