Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, I think that everyone will agree that we are having a big crisis about the role of the TC in Debian. What saddens me deeply is how some of us framed this as a Debian vs the Technical Committee fight. The Technical Committee _is_ Debian. If we feel it's malfunctionning, it's our problem as

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:58:41AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : Specifically, I would like to ask Debian Developers to contribute (positively) to TC discussions when relevant, in order to help the TC get a complete understanding of the issues, their consequences, and possible resolutions

Re: Resigning from the TC

2014-11-17 Thread Bdale Garbee
Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org writes: I hereby declare my intent to resign from the Debian Technical Committee. The Constitution doesn't really have a clear procedure for handling resignations here; I expect the TC will want to appoint a new member, which I appreciate might take a while.

Re: Resigning from the TC

2014-11-17 Thread Bdale Garbee
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new committee members

2014-11-17 Thread Bdale Garbee
With the resignation of Russ and notice of impending resignation from Colin, I believe we should begin the process of finding new members for the committee. I see that Don has added an agenda item about this to our next IRC meeting scheduled for 4 December, but I don't really want to wait until

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 11/16/2014 10:28 PM, Josh Triplett wrote: In the absence of that, it seems quite understandable to interpret this as yet another attempt by the TC to undermine systemd. It's nothing but that exactly that, not more, not less. The decision which init system Debian would use was already made

Re: new committee members

2014-11-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* Bdale Garbee (bd...@gag.com) [141117 20:59]: I would like to propose that we issue a call for nominations to the project, similar to the one we used last time. I'd like to do that this week. We can discuss here by email and/or in our IRC meeting on the 4th issues like what we should look

Bug#769972: New CTTE members

2014-11-17 Thread Don Armstrong
Package: tech-ctte Severity: minor User: tech-c...@packages.debian.org Usertag: consensus-seeking On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Bdale Garbee wrote: I see that Don has added an agenda item about this to our next IRC meeting scheduled for 4 December, but I don't really want to wait until then to start

Bug#769972: New CTTE members

2014-11-17 Thread Bdale Garbee
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: Package: tech-ctte Severity: minor User: tech-c...@packages.debian.org Usertag: consensus-seeking On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Bdale Garbee wrote: I see that Don has added an agenda item about this to our next IRC meeting scheduled for 4 December, but I don't

Bug#769972: New CTTE members

2014-11-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Bdale Garbee wrote: Works for me. I like the start considering wording, too, as opposed to closing the call for nominations. Good thought. OK. I've written the draft of this here:

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread Sam Hartman
Charles == Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Charles Le Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:58:41AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a Charles écrit : Specifically, I would like to ask Debian Developers to contribute (positively) to TC discussions when relevant, in order to help the

Re: new committee members

2014-11-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Bdale Garbee wrote: With the resignation of Russ and notice of impending resignation from Colin, I believe we should begin the process of finding new members for the committee. It has not been that long since the last nomimation and you might want to ping the last