Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-19 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, I would like to see an end to open questions on systemd in Jessie. So, given that the GR is over and no technical proposals for not switching init systems on upgrade to Jessie have been made, is it possible to draw a conclusion to this issue now? I'm not sure there is much to gain from

Resignation

2014-11-19 Thread Ian Jackson
I am resigning from the Technical Committee with immediate effect. While it is important that the views of the 30-40% of the project who agree with me should continue to be represented on the TC, I myself am clearly too controversial a figure at this point to do so. I should step aside to try

Thank you for your work, Ian

2014-11-19 Thread Josh Triplett
Ian Jackson wrote: I now hope to spend more of my free software time doing programming. dgit is at the top of my Debian queue, but some of my GNU and SGO projects could do with attention too. Hi Ian, I've been quite impressed with your technical contributions to Debian, particularly dgit, and

Re: Resigning from the Technical Committee

2014-11-19 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hey. On Sun, 2014-11-16 at 17:34 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: I resign from the Debian Technical Committee, effective immediately. What a shame :-( Thanks for your many years of excellent work. I think this is a very big loss for the TC and Debian, since you showed great wisdom and technical

Re: Thank you for your work, Ian

2014-11-19 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hey. On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 13:08 +, Ian Jackson wrote: I am resigning from the Technical Committee with immediate effect. Again, what a shame :-( Thanks for all your work, I'd say the same what I've just written about Russ applies to you as well. You far-sight and technical knowledge will be

Re: Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-19 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 13:51 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Hi, I would like to see an end to open questions on systemd in Jessie. So, given that the GR is over and no technical proposals for not switching init systems on upgrade to Jessie have been made, is it possible to draw a

Bug#765803: Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: 4. For the moment, we invite concrete proposals for technical changes which would arrange that 1. new jessie installations using Linux would get systemd but 2. existing installations retain their existing init system so far as possible.

Bug#766708: Processed: Re: Bug#766708: breaks multiarch cross building

2014-11-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014, Helmut Grohne wrote: I have to admit that the code is not exactly lightweight. I do understand the desire to get rid it and asked that a ctte ruling does not apply beyond jessie for that reason. Are people who are doing cross-building like this actually using the code

Bug#766708: Processed: Re: Bug#766708: breaks multiarch cross building

2014-11-19 Thread Ben Longbons
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: Are people who are doing cross-building like this actually using the code which will be in jessie? I (perhaps naïvely) would expect them to be primarily using the code in unstable, and maybe at a late stage of bring-up

Bug#766708: Processed: Re: Bug#766708: breaks multiarch cross building

2014-11-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014, Ben Longbons wrote: The code I work on isn't packaged for Debian yet, but without having cross-compilers to play with, I will *never* be able to support anything other than x86-*. Which suite are you currently using? I'm asking, because I want to know whether actually just

Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-19 Thread Keith Packard
Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com writes: 4. For the moment, we invite concrete proposals for technical changes which would arrange that 1. new jessie installations using Linux would get systemd but 2. existing installations retain their existing init system so far as possible.

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-19 Thread Keith Packard
Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes: ​The tech ctte could've addressed this issue by providing policy guidance or by just offering advice, and assuming that the systemd maintainers would act on th​e advice or policy in good faith. Choosing to override the systemd maintainers was far from

Bug#766708: Processed: Re: Bug#766708: breaks multiarch cross building

2014-11-19 Thread Ben Longbons
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, 19 Nov 2014, Ben Longbons wrote: The code I work on isn't packaged for Debian yet, but without having cross-compilers to play with, I will *never* be able to support anything other than x86-*. Which suite are you

Bug#766708: Processed: Re: Bug#766708: breaks multiarch cross building

2014-11-19 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Don, On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 04:41:49PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: Are people who are doing cross-building like this actually using the code which will be in jessie? I (perhaps naïvely) would expect them to be primarily using the code in unstable, and maybe at a late stage of bring-up