Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Don Armstrong dijo [Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 06:06:59PM -0700]: > I think this discussion is great and good to have; thanks for starting it! I completely concur. > As a point of order, the TC isn't responsible for deciding whether bugs > are RC or not. That responsibility belongs with the Release

Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Don Armstrong
I think this discussion is great and good to have; thanks for starting it! As a point of order, the TC isn't responsible for deciding whether bugs are RC or not. That responsibility belongs with the Release Managers. [I don't think that should stop the TC from facilitating the decision and the

Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 08:45:42PM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > Adrian Bunk writes: > > - An environment with at least 16 GB RAM is supported. > > > > Not sure about the exact number, but since many packages have > > workarounds for gcc or ld running into the 4 GB address space > > limit on i386 it is

Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Ansgar
Russ Allbery writes: > Ansgar writes: >> Even more, from the "32 bit archs in Debian" BoF at DebConf15 I remember >> the suggestion that one might have to switch to 64-bit compilers even on >> 32-bit architectures in the future... So building packages would in >> general require a 64-bit kernel,

Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Ansgar writes: > Adrian Bunk writes: >> - An environment with at least 16 GB RAM is supported. >> >> Not sure about the exact number, but since many packages have >> workarounds for gcc or ld running into the 4 GB address space >> limit on i386 it is clear that several packages wouldn't build

Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Ansgar
Adrian Bunk writes: > - An environment with at least 16 GB RAM is supported. > > Not sure about the exact number, but since many packages have > workarounds for gcc or ld running into the 4 GB address space > limit on i386 it is clear that several packages wouldn't build > in an amd64 vm with

Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 01:30:58PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Santiago Vila writes ("Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting"): >... > On the point at issue, do these packages build in a cheap single-vcpu > vm from some kind of cloud vm service ? ISTM that this is a much > better argument than

Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 01:54:10PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: >... > * I'm told that single-cpu systems are an oddity and that most > physical machines manufactured today are multi-core, but this > completely fails to account that single-cpu systems are today more > affordable than ever thanks to

Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 01:54:10PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > * Because this is a violation of a Policy "must" directive, I consider > the downgrade to be a tricky way to modify Debian Policy without > following the usual Policy decision-making procedure. Please also note that

Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Santiago Vila writes ("Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting"): > Would it work, for example, if I propose a change to Debian Policy I think the problem here is that: - Some packages do not build in quite sane non-buildd build environments, but: - Some build environments are too weird

Bug#932795: Ethics of FTBFS bug reporting

2019-07-23 Thread Santiago Vila
Package: tech-ctte Dear TC: I reported this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=907829 and it was downgraded on the basis that the official autobuilders are multi-core. I believe this downgrade is not appropriate, for several reasons: * The informal guideline which is