Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 01/19/2014 08:15 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: How mature a system is and how well-developed in Debian are relevant factors If we're making a competition of how long has an given init system been in Debian, then for sure, OpenRC looses. However, on all the tests I did, I see no major issue with

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Nikolaus Rath writes (Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all): Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Thomas, does OpenRC provide a means for do non-forking daemon startup ? [...] Ian, quoting from your previous evaluation of upstart (http

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Goirand writes (Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all): On 01/19/2014 08:15 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: * The daemon does not double-fork; it runs in the foreground of of its initial process. Something like start-stop-daemon then? :) Err, no, becase... See

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-20 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Nikolaus Rath writes (Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all): Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Thomas, does OpenRC provide a means for do non-forking daemon startup ? [...] Ian, quoting from your

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-19 Thread Thomas Goirand
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 20:41:32 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: I should point out that I have not extensively examined openrc I have to say that I'm really disappointed by the tech ctte attitude toward OpenRC in general. I pointed out to bdale (privately) as well that this was unacceptable. I've seen

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-19 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 19-01-2014 a las 17:11 +0800, Thomas Goirand escribió: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 20:41:32 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: I should point out that I have not extensively examined openrc I have to say that I'm really disappointed by the tech ctte attitude toward OpenRC in general. I pointed

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 20:41:32 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: I should point out that I have not extensively examined openrc I have to say that I'm really disappointed by the tech ctte attitude toward OpenRC in general. The reason why I'm not investing the

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Goirand writes (Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all): I have to say that I'm really disappointed by the tech ctte attitude toward OpenRC in general. I'm sorry about that, but: The way I investigated both systems was by reading their documentation and playing about

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-19 Thread Dmitry Yu Okunev
Hello. On 01/19/2014 01:11 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:19:45 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org: Oh, really? Then can you explain why https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391945 has not been marked as fixed? It is the view of the upstream maintainers that the

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-19 Thread Andreas Barth
* Thomas Goirand (z...@debian.org) [140119 10:15]: Unfortunately, it seems it's going to be the way OpenRC will be evaluated: because some people *pretended* that OpenRC wouldn't fit the bill, it's just discarded without even having a look at how it works, its features, and its implementation.

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-19 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: But it was way behind both systemd and upstart in terms of readiness in Debian going into this discussion, and the amount of catching up that's required here for it to displace upstart as my second choice just doesn't seem feasible for me.

Re: Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:14:04PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: Anyway, why is there so much rush? jessie is going to default to sysvinit no matter what. I don't know why you have that impression. The default for jessie is exactly one of the things we're deciding here, and I'm rather certain

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: But it was way behind both systemd and upstart in terms of readiness in Debian going into this discussion, and the amount of catching up that's required here for it to displace upstart as my

Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all

2014-01-19 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Thomas Goirand writes (Bug#727708: The tech ctte isn't considering OpenRC at all): But that OpenRC just hasn't been considered just because of rumors is really unacceptable. The reason I haven't seriously considered OpenRC for the default