Bug#727708: systemd and support for other distros

2013-12-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 02:48:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: I have never seen a gratuitous incompatibility caused by this. Do you have any examples? I would argue that every single result returned by 'ls -l /usr/sbin/ /usr/bin|grep /bin',

Bug#727708: systemd and support for other distros

2013-12-02 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Jackson It's not clear to me from the discussion there exactly what systemd upstream's position on this kind of thing is. Can someone point us, for example, to a statement by the systemd upstreams about their support for separate /usr (or their non-support for it) ?

Bug#727708: systemd and support for other distros

2013-12-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 09:28:23AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Ian Jackson It's not clear to me from the discussion there exactly what systemd upstream's position on this kind of thing is. Can someone point us, for example, to a statement by the systemd upstreams about their

Bug#727708: systemd and support for other distros

2013-12-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:24:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: Note that the original complaint in the samba upstream discussion was about hard-coding of paths to system utilities, which a) is not portable between distributions and b) contradicts

Bug#727708: systemd and support for other distros

2013-12-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:24:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: They're fairly trivial ones, though, no? Maintaining a local patch to change the paths in a systemd unit is certainly way less effort than maintaining the whole unit. It's akin to changing

Bug#727708: systemd and support for other distros

2013-12-01 Thread Ian Jackson
In the systemd statement we see: Systemd's upstream is very accommodating to distributors. They are taking a lot of Debian's needs into account, even though it has not yet been decided to make it the default. The upstart statement says: systemd upstream paints a utopian vision where