On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 02:38:50PM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
Maybe discussion was the wrong word. What I mean is that for more than
one year, any vote on this bug was prevented by the TC waiting for any
one of its members to catch up on the discussion, articulate his
concerns, write down a
Ian == Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Ian Sam Hartman writes (Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and
Ian Consensus):
Having such serious objections that have not been adequately
considered means you don't have rough consensus at least in the
ways I
On Aug 28 2015, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
[ things about the menu system ]
This really has become a farce. This issue been open for more than a
year. Sam rephrased the entire issue earlier this year in terms of
consensus and has just finished his analysis. And now it
On Aug 28 2015, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote:
Nikolaus == Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes:
Nikolaus On Aug 28 2015, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
wrote:
Nikolaus [ things about the menu system ]
Nikolaus This really has become a farce. This issue
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:20:52 +0200 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote:
That seems very unlikely to me. Diversity is an important part of
Debian. I think it is likely that the TC is going to value the Debian
Menu as long as
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:05:03 -0700 Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:20:52 +0200 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote:
That seems very unlikely to me. Diversity is an important part of
Debian. I
Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote:
That seems very unlikely to me. Diversity is an important part of
Debian. I think it is likely that the TC is going to value the Debian
Menu as long as Bill or someone else is going to work on it. I would
expect us to value
Charles == Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
Charles I made efforts to keep the wording mild, but I think that
Charles it was an error.
From your attiude as the lead person behind the Debian Menu, it
is clear that
Charles it has no future. For one decade, you have
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 08:45:53AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Hi Sam,
[side note: while I joined the original discussion, I don't really have
a stake in the outcome, other than the desire to have a working menu]
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 09:06:08AM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
Should Bill
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 02:12:31PM +0200, Bill Allombert a écrit :
This is not the case. I made my position clear the first time in the bug log,
but one year later Charles decided to restart the discussion while ignoring
all
that was previously said. That made me angry and I have a policy
Hi Sam,
[side note: while I joined the original discussion, I don't really have
a stake in the outcome, other than the desire to have a working menu]
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 09:06:08AM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
Should Bill have recused?
Your current process does not describe when policy
Sam Hartman writes (Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus):
If the TC found itself coming to a different conclusion than an informed
rough consensus of debian-policy, it should carefully consider whether
that is the right course.
I have a very different view. The membership
Ian == Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Ian Sam Hartman writes (Re: Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and
I think the key area where we differ is that I would give
preference other things being mostly equal to upholding the work
done in debian-policy. As I
Ian == Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Ian 1. The TC - not the policy process, not the policy editors, and
Ian not the consensus on debian-policy - has the ultimate
Ian responsibility to set technical policy. (Constitution 6.1(1))
Ian So in the TC the
Sam Hartman writes (Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus):
In March of 2014, Charles Plessy asked the Debian Technical Committee to
review one of the policy editors decisions to revert changes to how
policy talks about the Debian Menu and MIME support. See
http://bugs.debian.org
Josselin == Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Josselin Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: Bill, in his role
Josselin of policy editor said that he believed there was not a
Josselin consensus. He cited a specific set of messages that he
Josselin believes were not
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 09:39:50PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 08:05:56AM +, Sam Hartman a écrit :
Bill, in his role of policy editor said that he believed there was not a
consensus.
Hi Sam,
I think that what you wrote does not reflect what happened:
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 03:06:27AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Wasting people's hard work, and then using a lack of reply to an extra
round of nitpicking as an excuse for having wasted the whole lot?
The only hard work here is maintaining the menu system for ten years.
Cheers,
--
Bill.
Bill Allombert ballo...@debian.org writes:
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 09:39:50PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I think that what you wrote does not reflect what happened:
- Russ gave me the green light for committing the changes, see
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 09:50:21PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
The debian menu is de facto dead; it is time to put it out of its misery.
This kind of language while customary of Sune and Josselin is inappropriate and
rude to any people that have investigated significant time in maintaining menu.
On Monday 20 July 2015 17:14:03 Josselin Mouette wrote:
Bill used his position as a policy editor to reject a change, not
because it was against consensus or against the policy process, but
because it was against his own opinion. Not as policy editor, but as
menu maintainer.
This is the
Charles == Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
Charles Le Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 01:56:49PM +, Sam Hartman a
Charles écrit :
Bill == Bill Allombert ballo...@debian.org writes:
Charles Also, the question is not whether the FreeDesktop menu
Charles should be described
Le Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 08:05:56AM +, Sam Hartman a écrit :
Bill, in his role of policy editor said that he believed there was not a
consensus.
Hi Sam,
I think that what you wrote does not reflect what happened:
- Russ gave me the green light for committing the changes, see
Charles == Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
Charles Le Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 08:05:56AM +, Sam Hartman a
Charles écrit :
Bill, in his role of policy editor said that he believed there
was not a consensus.
Charles Hi Sam,
Charles I think that what you
Bill == Bill Allombert ballo...@debian.org writes:
Bill On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:08:04PM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
In March of 2014, Charles Plessy asked the Debian Technical
Committee to review one of the policy editors decisions to revert
changes to how policy talks about
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:08:04PM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
In March of 2014, Charles Plessy asked the Debian Technical Committee to
review one of the policy editors decisions to revert changes to how
policy talks about the Debian Menu and MIME support. See
http://bugs.debian.org/741573 for
Le Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 01:56:49PM +, Sam Hartman a écrit :
Bill == Bill Allombert ballo...@debian.org writes:
Bill I want to point out that I have split the menu policy changes
Bill in 3 parts, so that the less controversial part could be
Bill decided separately, see
In March of 2014, Charles Plessy asked the Debian Technical Committee to
review one of the policy editors decisions to revert changes to how
policy talks about the Debian Menu and MIME support. See
http://bugs.debian.org/741573 for the TC process and
https://bugs.debian.org/707851. for the
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