Re: Next CTTE Meeting is date -d 'Thu May 22 17:00:00 UTC 2014' (under 22 hours from now)

2014-05-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Don Armstrong #topic #733452 init system readiness protocol This was closed by Ian, so why is it on the agenda? -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
I looked through this thread and found that I hadn't proposed anything resembling a concrete resolution. I would like to do that now: Context 1. A dispute about the status of menu systems in Debian, and the contents of policy, has been referred to the Committee. 2. There are

Re: Next CTTE Meeting is date -d 'Thu May 22 17:00:00 UTC 2014' (under 22 hours from now)

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Don Armstrong writes (Next CTTE Meeting is date -d 'Thu May 22 17:00:00 UTC 2014' (under 22 hours from now)): The next CTTE meeting is at date -d'Thu May 22 17:00:00 UTC 2014' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org (OFTC). The current agenda is in the git repository, and is reproduced

Bug#636783: TC supermajority bug

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
We discussed this on -project. I have been convinced that my previous approach was wrong. I now think that we should do as follows: * Move the required majority ratio test from A.6(3) to the very end, after A.6(8). * Change the test to =. * The consequence of not meeting the majority

Bug#636783: TC casting vote

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
We have had some discussion about this. No-one seems to have objected to the suggestion that the DPL, rather than the TC chairman, should have a casting vote in TC decisions. I'm therefore intending to roll this up into my TC GR(s). Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes (Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems): I do think there is still something for the TC to do here. As Andi writes, the TC failed to clarify that we expect people to continue to support multiple init systems. Evidently this was a mistake. It

Bug#636783: TC minimum discussion period

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
We have discussed having a minimum discussion period for TC resolutions. I still think this is necessary. I think 72h is about right. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Bug#636783: GR giving advice to TC on overruling

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
I have concluded that it is not going to be feasible for me to find a wording for an advisory GR which will achieve my objectives. I'm therefore dropping it from my personal todo list. I have removed it from the TC git repo. If someone else wants to pick it up, they'd have my support. Thanks,

Bug#636783: TC casting vote

2014-05-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Jackson We have had some discussion about this. No-one seems to have objected to the suggestion that the DPL, rather than the TC chairman, should have a casting vote in TC decisions. I think it's a bad idea. The CTTE is a technical body. The DPL is a political leader. Having

Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems

2014-05-22 Thread Josh Triplett
Ian Jackson wrote: Ian Jackson writes (Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems): I do think there is still something for the TC to do here. As Andi writes, the TC failed to clarify that we expect people to continue to support multiple init systems. Evidently

Meeting Summary [Re: Next CTTE Meeting is date -d 'Thu May 22 17:00:00 UTC 2014']

2014-05-22 Thread Don Armstrong
#debian-ctte Meeting Meeting started by dondelelcaro at 16:58:06 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2014/debian-ctte.2014-05-22-16.58.log.html . Meeting summary --- * Who is here? (dondelelcaro,