Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez writes: > On 28/10/13 20:14, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: >> For those who haven't seen it, Lennart has posted some of his comments >> about all this on G+: >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/115547683951727699051/posts/8RmiAQsW9qf > And here is the reply from Gentoo de

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 28/10/13 20:14, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > For those who haven't seen it, Lennart has posted some of his comments > about all this on G+: > https://plus.google.com/u/0/115547683951727699051/posts/8RmiAQsW9qf And here is the reply from Gentoo developer Patrick Lauer: http://gentooexperim

Re: Bug#727708: Init systems: arguments for the CTTE

2013-10-29 Thread Noel Torres
On 28/10/13 17:47, Bdale Garbee wrote: Josselin Mouette writes: While it is (and can remain) possible, just like in the NM case, to install it without systemd and lose functionality, I think it is unreasonable to ask for a default GNOME installation without it. Thanks for making this clear.

Bug#727708: FYI: upstream’s take

2013-10-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:51:37AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [131029 03:15]: > > Michael Stapelberg writes: > > > my apologies for not replying to any messages within the thread, but I > > > think my mail is orthogonal to the other messages. > > > Lennart Poe

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:05:25PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Paul, Good afternoon, Steve, > Thanks for bringing this question to the Technical Committee. It's been on > my todo list to raise this myself, with the intent of getting a TC decision > before the end of this year. With only t

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Bruno Melo
Hi guys, I'm just an user. Well, can I make a suggestion? We know systemd can't run on kFreeBSD and because of it Gnome can't run on kFreeBSD too, but what about Cinnamon? Cinnamon is dependent on systemd? 1- If not, so Cinnamon + good apps can make kFreeBSD usable. So replacing Gnome by Cinnamon o

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Paul, On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 02:43:44PM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > And, since I've been informed that this was basically a contentless bug, > I'd like to frame the technical half of the question better: Thanks for bringing this question to the Technical Committee. It's been on my todo

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Helmut, On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:22:54AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Having read the parts of the ctte bug, it feels odd to preclude the > option of supporting multiple init systems from discussion or > consideration. If Debian is to support only one init system and that one > init system i

Bug#727708: Init systems: arguments for the CTTE

2013-10-29 Thread Andreas Barth
* Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) [131028 10:39]: > As a side note, I think upstart’s CLA dismisses it as software > of choice for our core system. > I know it’s not the only important piece of software in Debian > with a CLA. I still stand on this point. I have

Bug#727708: FYI: upstream’s take

2013-10-29 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [131029 03:15]: > Michael Stapelberg writes: > > > my apologies for not replying to any messages within the thread, but I > > think my mail is orthogonal to the other messages. > > > Lennart Poettering wrote about the systemd upstream point of view on the > > dis

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Helmut Grohne
TL;DR: Thoughts on using systemd .service files on non-Linux ports. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 09:20:10AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Note that there are two options that could be explored, to remove the > need to maintain init scripts: > - generating sysvinit scripts from systemd service files or

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 05:22:14PM +, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:20:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Right. Whichever init system we pick, I do expect the next step to be to > > drop the requirement to maintain sysvinit backwards-compatibility; > While I'm not su

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 28/10/13 at 18:21 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Wouter Verhelst writes: > > > Also, since all alternative init implementations under consideration do > > support sysv-style init scripts, I think that whatever init system we > > (well, you, the TC) end up choosing, the requirement in policy shou