Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Russ Allbery Peter Dolding oia...@gmail.com writes: ExecStartPre=, ExecStartPost= can be written many times. ExecStartPre= rm somewhere ExecStartPre= touch somewhere That really doesn't help, because... In fact lot of cases I see one line entries in systemd and I see bad

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [131104 18:21]: Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes: Regarding the development force behind each project, I find the following comparison at Ohloh very illustrative

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-05 Thread Chris Knadle
On Tuesday, November 05, 2013 10:05:40 Andreas Barth wrote: [...] However, it shows two things: one is as you said that systemd contains many more subsystems as the others (whether this is good or not is a different question), the other is that code documentation seems to be not as verbose as

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [131102 04:12]: If Canonical *is* the sole upstream, the upstream future here is troubling to me, particularly given Canonical's current strategic direction towards Unity. To give a specific example of the sort of thing that I'm worried about, suppose that

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org writes: I would like to ask this question even a bit more general (for all involved init systems): How much would we have vendor lock-in by each init system? Means, is there more software except the pure init system we might need to take if we switch to that

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [131106 01:21]: We'll want to look at both sides of that question, and try to understand how much work like that is potentially on the horizon with the various choices. Yes, and I hope that all potential init systems add appropriate information to their

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-11-05 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, November 6, 2013 01:16, Russ Allbery wrote: We'll want to look at both sides of that question, and try to understand how much work like that is potentially on the horizon with the various choices. Do you? In the past Debian has not shied away from making the choice that it considers