Bug#727708: systemd and support for other distros

2013-12-02 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Jackson It's not clear to me from the discussion there exactly what systemd upstream's position on this kind of thing is. Can someone point us, for example, to a statement by the systemd upstreams about their support for separate /usr (or their non-support for it) ?

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs

2013-12-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes (Re: Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs): Another point here is that it's sounding like we'll be using a lot of those services regardless, at least on systems that need them, which means that their security track record and bug rate is somewhat irrelevant for this

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs

2013-12-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 02 décembre 2013 à 11:22 +, Ian Jackson a écrit : I don't think that's entirely true. I think it is fair to look at the security history of other parts of the same project as indicative regarding code quality. There are two implied assumptions here: * that the same people

Bug#727708: systemd and support for other distros

2013-12-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 09:28:23AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Ian Jackson It's not clear to me from the discussion there exactly what systemd upstream's position on this kind of thing is. Can someone point us, for example, to a statement by the systemd upstreams about their

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-12-02 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Russ, On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 08:11:38PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: For the TC decision, what kind of information are you looking for about the plans, beyond the Ubuntu developers expect to need to address this before upgrading from systemd

Bug#727708: systemd and support for other distros

2013-12-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:24:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: Note that the original complaint in the samba upstream discussion was about hard-coding of paths to system utilities, which a) is not portable between distributions and b) contradicts

Bug#727708: systemd and support for other distros

2013-12-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:24:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: They're fairly trivial ones, though, no? Maintaining a local patch to change the paths in a systemd unit is certainly way less effort than maintaining the whole unit. It's akin to changing

Bug#728486: Current patch for resolving lvm/systemd compatibility

2013-12-02 Thread Michael Stapelberg
Hi Don, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: I'd like to get this particular bug discussion restarted. Thanks for your mail. From my understanding, a static, non generator version of lvm2_activation_generator_systemd_red_hat.c will allow for the activation of lvm2 after the addition of an

Bug#728486: Current patch for resolving lvm/systemd compatibility

2013-12-02 Thread Bastian Blank
On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 at 05:49:13PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: Bastian: Would such a patch be acceptable in principle? After systemd was fixed, yes. Bastian -- Conquest is easy. Control is not. -- Kirk, Mirror, Mirror, stardate unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs (was: init system question)

2013-12-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 at 11:11:43PM +0100, Sune Vuorela wrote: On Sunday 01 December 2013 21:50:49 Ian Jackson wrote: This leads me to a question which I find myself asking, after reading the systemd debate page: If we were to adopt systemd as pid 1, which sections of the systemd source

Bug#728486: Current patch for resolving lvm/systemd compatibility

2013-12-02 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Michael, On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:48:54PM +0100, Michael Stapelberg wrote: Hi Don, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: I'd like to get this particular bug discussion restarted. Thanks for your mail. From my understanding, a static, non generator version of

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs

2013-12-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 02 décembre 2013 à 13:41 -0700, Bdale Garbee a écrit : Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: There are two implied assumptions here: * that the same people are developing all components; * that develolpers have the same attention to code quality and

Bug#728486: Current patch for resolving lvm/systemd compatibility

2013-12-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013, Bastian Blank wrote: On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 at 05:49:13PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: Bastian: Would such a patch be acceptable in principle? After systemd was fixed, yes. Can you let me know which part of systemd needed to be fixed? [What bug# is this?] Can you also

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs

2013-12-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 02 décembre 2013 à 13:41 -0700, Bdale Garbee a écrit : Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: There are two implied assumptions here: * that the same people are developing all components; * that develolpers have

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs

2013-12-02 Thread Uoti Urpala
On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 15:32 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 03 Dec 2013, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 02 décembre 2013 à 13:41 -0700, Bdale Garbee a écrit : Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: There are two implied assumptions here: * that the same people are

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs

2013-12-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: Projects which have multiple components, each of which has different security/interface surfaces without stable defined interfaces, can lead to problems when one set of developers doesn't understand the security implications of the parts that they do not

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-12-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: While it's fair to note that Canonical is a smaller company with fewer resources than Red Hat, Canonical is certainly not the only company working on technologies that don't fit into systemd upstream's model. On the question of cgroup management for

Bug#727708: systemd code documentation

2013-12-02 Thread Russ Allbery
I should say up-front that I don't consider this to be a decisive issue, but since it was raised and I did a bit of investigation, I wanted to report my initial conclusions and see if I missed anything or got anything wrong. I did a quick code inspection of the code base for both upstart and