Bug#636783: TC casting vote

2014-05-22 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/05/14 at 10:14 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 03:56:26PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > We have had some discussion about this. No-one seems to have objected > > to the suggestion that the DPL, rather than the TC chairman, should > > have a casting vote in TC decisions

Meeting Summary [Re: Next CTTE Meeting is date -d 'Thu May 22 17:00:00 UTC 2014']

2014-05-22 Thread Don Armstrong
#debian-ctte Meeting Meeting started by dondelelcaro at 16:58:06 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2014/debian-ctte.2014-05-22-16.58.log.html . Meeting summary --- * Who is here? (dondelelcaro, 16:58

Bug#636783: TC casting vote

2014-05-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 03:56:26PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > We have had some discussion about this. No-one seems to have objected > to the suggestion that the DPL, rather than the TC chairman, should > have a casting vote in TC decisions. > I'm therefore intending to roll this up into my TC GR

Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems

2014-05-22 Thread Josh Triplett
Ian Jackson wrote: > Ian Jackson writes ("Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on > init systems"): > > I do think there is still something for the TC to do here. As Andi > > writes, the TC failed to clarify that we expect people to continue to > > support multiple init systems. Ev

Bug#636783: TC casting vote

2014-05-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Jackson > We have had some discussion about this. No-one seems to have objected > to the suggestion that the DPL, rather than the TC chairman, should > have a casting vote in TC decisions. I think it's a bad idea. The CTTE is a technical body. The DPL is a political leader. Having pol

Bug#636783: GR giving advice to TC on overruling

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
I have concluded that it is not going to be feasible for me to find a wording for an advisory GR which will achieve my objectives. I'm therefore dropping it from my personal todo list. I have removed it from the TC git repo. If someone else wants to pick it up, they'd have my support. Thanks, I

Bug#636783: TC minimum discussion period

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
We have discussed having a minimum discussion period for TC resolutions. I still think this is necessary. I think 72h is about right. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: h

Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems"): > I do think there is still something for the TC to do here. As Andi > writes, the TC failed to clarify that we expect people to continue to > support multiple init systems. Evidently this was a mistake.

Bug#636783: TC casting vote

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
We have had some discussion about this. No-one seems to have objected to the suggestion that the DPL, rather than the TC chairman, should have a casting vote in TC decisions. I'm therefore intending to roll this up into my TC GR(s). Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.d

Bug#636783: TC supermajority bug

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
We discussed this on -project. I have been convinced that my previous approach was wrong. I now think that we should do as follows: * Move the "required majority ratio" test from A.6(3) to the very end, after A.6(8). * Change the test > to >=. * The consequence of not meeting the majorit

Re: Next CTTE Meeting is date -d 'Thu May 22 17:00:00 UTC 2014' (under 22 hours from now)

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Don Armstrong writes ("Next CTTE Meeting is date -d 'Thu May 22 17:00:00 UTC 2014' (under 22 hours from now)"): > The next CTTE meeting is at > > date -d'Thu May 22 17:00:00 UTC 2014' > > in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org (OFTC). > > The current agenda is in the git repository, and is reprodu

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-05-22 Thread Ian Jackson
I looked through this thread and found that I hadn't proposed anything resembling a concrete resolution. I would like to do that now: Context 1. A dispute about the status of menu systems in Debian, and the contents of policy, has been referred to the Committee. 2. There are currentl

Re: Next CTTE Meeting is date -d 'Thu May 22 17:00:00 UTC 2014' (under 22 hours from now)

2014-05-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Don Armstrong > #topic #733452 init system readiness protocol This was closed by Ian, so why is it on the agenda? -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubs