Bug#436093: Please decide on the ownership of the developers reference

2008-02-05 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
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Re: Bug#629385: Request for TC to rule on a course of action for supporting build-arch

2011-06-06 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 06/06/11 at 13:35 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 06 Jun 2011, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 06/06/11 at 10:29 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 06 Jun 2011, Steve Langasek wrote: 1) Implement support for calling 'debian/rules build-arch' in place of 'debian/rules build

Re: Bug#629385: Request for TC to rule on a course of action for supporting build-arch

2011-06-07 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 07/06/11 at 09:41 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Lucas, can you do a full rebuild with the packages below ? http://people.debian.org/~hertzog/packages/dpkg-dev_1.16.1~buildarch.1_all.deb http://people.debian.org/~hertzog/packages/libdpkg-perl_1.16.1~buildarch.1_all.deb Hi, Since Tollef

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 25/10/13 at 12:16 -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: In response to the recent threads, I'd like to ask the tech-ctte to please vote on and decide on the default init system for Debian. I agree. I don't think that many substantial new arguments are going to be brought by waiting more on this

Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 28/10/13 at 18:21 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@master.debian.org writes: Also, since all alternative init implementations under consideration do support sysv-style init scripts, I think that whatever init system we (well, you, the TC) end up choosing, the

Bug#727708: upstadt vs. systemd: events vs. dependencies

2014-01-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 21/01/14 at 12:27 +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, in this debate, enlightening *ahem* as it was, I think that one aspect didn't get the attention it should get. (IMHO.) systemd uses dependencies. Upstart uses events. This was already discussed in the following subthreads:

Bug#727708: Call for votes on init system resolution

2014-02-05 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 05/02/14 at 22:41 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Colin Watson dixit: (Decide any technical matter where Developers' jurisdictions overlap). I think it is not up to the d-i people to decide on the init system anyway – especially as not d-i but debootstrap is the canonical way to install

Bug#636783: TC casting vote

2014-05-23 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/05/14 at 10:14 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 03:56:26PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: We have had some discussion about this. No-one seems to have objected to the suggestion that the DPL, rather than the TC chairman, should have a casting vote in TC decisions.

Bug#636783: TC casting vote

2014-05-23 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 23/05/14 at 09:42 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: On Fri, 2014-05-23 at 08:32 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 22/05/14 at 10:14 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 03:56:26PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: We have had some discussion about this. No-one seems to have objected

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, I think that everyone will agree that we are having a big crisis about the role of the TC in Debian. What saddens me deeply is how some of us framed this as a Debian vs the Technical Committee fight. The Technical Committee _is_ Debian. If we feel it's malfunctionning, it's our problem as

Bug#830344: Moving forward with the Project Roadmap question

2016-08-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 11/08/16 at 20:17 +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > 2) The TC will act as an advisor to the Roadmap Team > 3) The TC will not be involved as body with the Roadmap Team I'm not sure about those two options. Would (2) go further than powers already available to the TC under §6.1? What

Bug#932795: How to handle FTBFS bugs in release architectures

2019-07-30 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 29/07/19 at 17:23 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > My opinion, based on what we talked about this bug during DebConf and > the people I talked with, is that we should provide an advice > following roughly: > > - The Release Team are empowered to set the base requirements to build > packages for a

Bug#1007717: Native source package format with non-native version

2022-03-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 16/03/22 at 23:54 +, Wookey wrote: > On 2022-03-16 15:29 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > In practice, the vast majority of packages are maintained in git on > > salsa. The maintainers use those git repositories as the PFM. > > > but almost everyone is already treating git as primary. > >

Bug#1007717: Native source package format with non-native version

2022-03-15 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, First, some context with numbers: Source packages in testing: 32247 Source packages in testing using 3.0 (native): 690 (2.1%) Source packages in testing using 3.0 (quilt): 30937 (95.9%) Source packages in testing using 1.0: 620 (1.9%) Those 620 packages probably fit in two categories: A)

Bug#1007717: Native source package format with non-native version

2022-03-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Ian, On 15/03/22 at 16:29 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Part I - belss continued use of 1.0 native format, for now at least: > > 1. Declare explicitly that there is nothing wrong with a package with > a native format, but a non-native version number. > > 2. Request that the dpkg

Bug#1007717: Native source package format with non-native version

2022-03-29 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Sean, On 28/03/22 at 16:21 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello Lucas, > > Many thanks for providing this summary of your position. Let me just > note a point of disagreement: > > On Tue 15 Mar 2022 at 10:06PM +01, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > A point that I find

Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-06-08 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 08/06/22 at 21:07 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Now we've turned a discussion about source package formats into a > discussion about workflows and git. So when I reason about uniformity, I > effectively want those idiosyncratic workflows to go away. If dgit > requires 1.0-with-diff for now,

Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-06-08 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 08/06/22 at 21:07 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > I think I take more issue with non-dgit git-first workflows than with > dgit ones, because dgit is so well documented and is a workflow that is > already shared by a noticeable fraction of the archive. I'm curious: how do you measure dgit usage?

Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-06-07 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 07/06/22 at 07:43 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Hallo, > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 05:29:57PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > > DRAFT > > > > Using its powers under constitution 6.1.5, the Technical Committee > > issues the following advice: > > I've given this some thought and feel uneasy

Bug#1007717: Updated draft resolution

2022-06-15 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 15/06/22 at 07:32 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > The other model restricts itself to only adding files below > debian/ and then using debian/rules to actually apply patches during > build. This latter model is fairly annoying, because there are so many > different ways of doing it (i.e. we

Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-05-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 10/05/22 at 17:29 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello, > > At today's ctte meeting we considered whether we can start a vote on > this, but two committee members were missing, and someone else at the > meeting reported that they hadn't yet been able to spend enough time > thinking through the

Bug#1007717: attempt to summarize current state of this bug

2022-05-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 10/05/22 at 16:57 +0100, Matthew Vernon wrote: > 1.0-with-diff has advantages over 3.0 (quilt) particularly with git-based > workflows, because in 3.0 (quilt) the diff is included inside the source > tree > The issue of preferred form for modification has been raised (source package > in

Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-05-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Thanks for your answer. On 11/05/22 at 12:38 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I would love for there to be something like 3.0-with-git-diff. Indeed, > I filed this wishlist bug to ask if contribution would be welcome: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1007781 > but have not had

Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-05-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/05/22 at 17:29 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source > package format with non-native version""): > > Out of curiosity, if 3.0 (native) supported multiple tarballs, wouldn't > > it