Re: Bug#976462: tech-ctte: Should dbgsym files be compressed via objcopy --compress-debug-section or not?

2021-03-06 Thread Josh Triplett
Jakub Wilk wrote: > A few months ago I recompressed whole buster/main/amd64 to see what the > effect of ditching --compress-debug-sections would be. > > Raw data for this experiment is available here: >

Bug#976462: Bug#631985: Compress debug

2021-02-04 Thread Josh Triplett
time" versus "install debug symbols, debug, remove debug symbols until they're next needed". - Josh Triplett

Bug#975075: tech-ctte: Should maintainers be able to block init compatibility changes?

2020-11-30 Thread Josh Triplett
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:55:44 + Mark Hindley wrote: > On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:58:15PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 17:33:26 +, Matthew Vernon wrote: > > > #921012 is about changing network-manager to Depend upon "default-logind | > > > logind" rather than

Bug#971515: Status as of last tech-ctte meeting

2020-11-19 Thread Josh Triplett
st/Cargo hats on, I would love to work with you and others on questions of what software packaging could look like, and how to maintain the quality and curation *and* package availability of Debian in collaboration with other ecosystems of package and dependency management. Other potentially interesting questions: what are the assumptions that go into our current tradeoffs about shared libraries vs static libraries, and are those still the correct tradeoffs in all cases? Josh Triplett

Bug#975075: tech-ctte: Should maintainers be able to block init compatibility changes?

2020-11-19 Thread Josh Triplett
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 13:04:56 -0700 Sean Whitton wrote: > On Wed 18 Nov 2020 at 11:18PM -08, Josh Triplett wrote: > > First, as a point of order (for which some authoritative guidance from > > the Secretary, CCed, would potentially prove useful): while the > > technical c

Bug#975075:

2020-11-19 Thread Josh Triplett
.] On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 11:40:20 + Ian Jackson wrote: > Josh Triplett writes: > > I do not believe it falls within the scope of the technical > > committee to override a decision already decided by a project-wide > > GR, > > No-one is asking the TC to override the GR. I

Bug#975075: tech-ctte: Should maintainers be able to block init compatibility changes?

2020-11-19 Thread Josh Triplett
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 12:00:45 -0700 Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed 18 Nov 2020 at 11:18PM -08, Josh Triplett wrote: > > I'd also like to address one other issue here. It would be easy to > > hypothesize, at this point, that some additional communication

Bug#975075: tech-ctte: Should maintainers be able to block init compatibility changes?

2020-11-18 Thread Josh Triplett
ional change. > I'm afraid the effect of this is that the maintainers of this package > are making it impossible for other developers to enable support of > sysvinit. This is not the case. If the maintainers of this package decline to *integrate such support in the package*, that does not close off all paths to providing such support. Other paths to enablement would include separate packages, other network management software, or alternative distributions. I'm sure there are other potential alternatives as well. - Josh Triplett

Bug#947847: please install systemd-sysusers using update-alternatives

2020-01-30 Thread Josh Triplett
top.org/software/systemd/man/sd_booted.html > > else > > fi "exec", not "install". - Josh Triplett

Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)

2018-12-22 Thread Josh Triplett
[Please don't CC me on responses, and please follow up solely to -devel rather than cross-posting.] Please note in the following mail that I'm raising this *exclusively* as a policy and procedures issue, *not* a technical issue. I would request that people *please* focus on the policy and

Bug#862051: Refer #862051 to ctte

2017-07-15 Thread Josh Triplett
On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 17:50:56 +0200 Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > === DRAFT Resolution === > The Technical Committee recognises that circumstances change in ways > that make previous resolution no longer appropriate. In 2012, it was > resolved that the nodejs package should not provide

Bug#865929: Advice on dealing with GRUB upgrade failure caused by init-select

2017-06-27 Thread Josh Triplett
clude hashes of all shipped versions of init-select.cfg or possible generated versions of it for various init systems, and if the file doesn't match one of those, move it aside to a backup location and provide a notice to the user that you've done so. - Josh Triplett

Bug#850967: Clarify /usr/bin/foo should not be hardcoded even in upstream parts

2017-01-14 Thread Josh Triplett
On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:04:34AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Josh" == Josh Triplett <j...@joshtriplett.org> writes: > > Josh> As another technical alternative, which I haven't seen > Josh> mentioned elsewhere in this threa

Bug#850967: Clarify /usr/bin/foo should not be hardcoded even in upstream parts

2017-01-12 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:51:27 -0500 Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Please do not do this to gpg-agent unless upstream is fine with this > change. I have more important things i want to consider divergence from > upstream about, and i don't think this particular scenario is a

Bug#850967: Clarify /usr/bin/foo should not be hardcoded even in upstream parts

2017-01-12 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:59:06 -0500 Sam Hartman wrote: > I'll note that the practice of hard-coding paths is fairly common. > > > One common cause for this is programs that don't want to rely on PATH > for calling exec. Systemd is a particularly interesting example. >

Bug#835507: Please clarify that sysvinit support decision is not going to expire

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Triplett
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:14:25 +0100 Ian Jackson wrote: > Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Bug#835507: Please clarify that sysvinit support > decision is not going to expire"): > > I don't want to make a blanket statement that it's a bug not to include > > an init script.

Bug#835507: Please clarify that sysvinit support decision is not going to expire

2016-08-26 Thread Josh Triplett
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:55:56 +0100 Ian Jackson wrote: > So: would the TC please clarify that the decision that > > For the record, the TC expects maintainers to continue to support > the multiple available init systems in Debian. That includes >

Re: Fwd: Re: Debian Roadmap discussion ?

2016-07-04 Thread Josh Triplett
r exactly this purpose. - Josh Triplett

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-10 Thread Josh Triplett
wrong? Huh."). Assuming that the "often results in FD" holds true, and that this doesn't encourage snap judgements, this seems like a very good idea to me. (That said, I would suggest in particular that the ctte exercise extreme caution if the bug log does not show evidence of a maintainer response that demonstrates an irreconcilable situation. The ctte should still be a *last* resort.) - Josh Triplett

Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question

2015-08-30 Thread Josh Triplett
to. Based on the above analysis, I don't see a single instance of menu metadata that wouldn't translate over to .desktop files. - Josh Triplett

Bug#636783: Bug#795855: #636783 - New bugs for individual issues

2015-08-19 Thread Josh Triplett
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 08:23:44PM +0200, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:12:08AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:39:06 +0200 Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org wrote: - #795855 Introduction of formal cloture vote for the TC - #795857

Bug#795855: #636783 - New bugs for individual issues

2015-08-18 Thread Josh Triplett
. Given the term limits now in place, that would guarantee a fairly regular need to vote on the TC chair. - Josh Triplett

Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-27 Thread Josh Triplett
did is no reason to denigrate people involved with it. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150727220416.GA3716@jtriplet-mobl1

Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-27 Thread Josh Triplett
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:05:03 -0700 Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:20:52 +0200 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: That seems very unlikely to me. Diversity is an important part of Debian. I

Bug#769972: Draft new member ballot

2015-03-02 Thread Josh Triplett
want to express preferences? - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150303053629.GA23142@thin

Bug#762194: Initial draft of affirming transition to systemd as default for #762194

2014-12-10 Thread Josh Triplett
://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no I would suggest inlining this reference in the relevant paragraph, or at least making it a footnote right after that paragraph, rather than an endnote. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Bug#762194: Initial draft of affirming transition to systemd as default for #762194

2014-12-10 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:35:32 -0800 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Josh Triplett wrote: This doesn't seem like an accurate description of #762194. #762194 was not specificlaly a request for the TC to override the maintainers of init to change the alternative order

Bug#762194: Initial draft of affirming transition to systemd as default for #762194

2014-12-10 Thread Josh Triplett
Thanks for the updates; the current version in debian-ctte git (as of commit e43bfb9cd1f6316ed01a58a4a248e82fc3825850) looks good to me. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Thank you for your work, Ian

2014-11-19 Thread Josh Triplett
repository all lives in git. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141119192100.GA4590@jtriplet-mobl1

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-16 Thread Josh Triplett
that this and many other actions has driven Tollef away from the maintenance of a critical and difficult-to-maintain package. I do not, however, share your sanctimony. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal

2014-11-05 Thread Josh Triplett
will then prefer to pull in systemd-shim and keep the installed init system rather than switching to systemd-sysv. In your mail with Message-ID 21590.30193.479905.710...@chiark.greenend.org.uk, you said: Josh Triplett writes (Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal): [...] s

Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal

2014-11-05 Thread Josh Triplett
versioned dependency changes in mind, but also package structural changes (on either systemd's or systemd-shim's part). I think the suggestion you made above fits entirely within the spirit of the TC resolution. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org

Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal

2014-11-04 Thread Josh Triplett
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 07:47:05AM +0100, Christian Seiler wrote: Am 02.11.2014 06:59, schrieb Josh Triplett: Apart from that, I would still request that someone with the ability to produce a modified local mirror test the two critical cases mentioned in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin

Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal

2014-11-04 Thread Josh Triplett
, or regarding dependencies on systemd.) - Josh Triplett Rationale (Constitution 6.1(5)): 1. Currently libpam-systemd (which is pulled in by quite a few dependency chains) Depends on `systemd-sysv | systemd-shim (= 8-2)'. 2. The effect of this is that installing some packages which depend

Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal

2014-11-02 Thread Josh Triplett
the release team here. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102054832.GA1167@thin

Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal

2014-11-02 Thread Josh Triplett
circumstances, making breakage far less likely. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102055908.GA1250@thin

Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal

2014-11-02 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 22:59:09 -0700 Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote: On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:26:14 -0700 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: So, this is also the last call for anyone to explain what harmful effect this could have if they think it would have a harmful effect. My

Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal

2014-11-02 Thread Josh Triplett
and keep the installed init system rather than switching to systemd-sysv. s/intentionally do not have systemd/intentionally do not have systemd-sysv/ - Josh Triplett Decision (Constitution 6.1(4)): 5. We therefore overrule the decision of the maintainer of libpam-systemd binary package

Bug#765803: Status of prompting / notification on upgrade for init system switch?

2014-10-20 Thread Josh Triplett
}' | sed 's, /,\n/,g' | sed -n '/^\/etc\/init\.d\//s/^\([^ ]*\) \(.*\)$/\2 \1/p' | md5sum --quiet -c 2/dev/null | cut -d: -f1 ) (Note that md5sum exits with non-zero if any of the checksums fail, but since it isn't the last thing in the pipe, that doesn't actually matter here.) - Josh Triplett

Bug#765803: Status of prompting / notification on upgrade for init system switch?

2014-10-19 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:59:54 -0700 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: When one of you has a chance, could you update this bug with the current thinking around how to handle upgrades, around the ordering of dependencies in libpam-systemd, and some of the other ideas (such as attempting to

Bug#765803: tech-ctte: Ask before changing init system when upgrading to jessie and Inform about init systems when installing jessie

2014-10-18 Thread Josh Triplett
in the release notes. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141019050507.GA1086@thin

Bug#746578: Dealing with the conflicting dbus policies?

2014-10-13 Thread Josh Triplett
elaborate solution, if the above is undesirable for some reason: teach dbus to also reach policies from /run/dbus-1, and have systemd-shim ship an init script that symlinks a policy file there iff not booted via systemd. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org

Bug#746578: Reasons to keep systemd-sysv as the first alternative

2014-09-19 Thread Josh Triplett
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:14:01 -0700 Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote: I'm pulling a quote from the bottom of Steve's mail to the top, to call attention to a new and critical point that I didn't see raised

Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy-jessie upgrades

2014-09-19 Thread Josh Triplett
requesting an explicit unconditional prompt on upgrade; while not optimal, it would be easy enough to add, and still preferable to having a different default for upgrades than for new installs. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Bug#746578: Reasons to keep systemd-sysv as the first alternative

2014-09-18 Thread Josh Triplett
) alternative in libpam-systemd's dependencies. (Though, if a one-time unconditional prompt about upgrading to systemd would serve as suitable warning, I'd advocate for that; however, somehow I doubt that step would actually satisfy people calling for systemd's head.) - Josh Triplett

Bug#746578: Reasons to keep systemd-sysv as the first alternative

2014-09-18 Thread Josh Triplett
is *not* the package driving the systemd transition anymore. Does that address your concern, Russ? - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140918183435

Bug#746578: Reasons to keep systemd-sysv as the first alternative

2014-09-18 Thread Josh Triplett
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:36:53AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:09:18 -0700 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: I conceptually dislike the user experience of switching init systems because the user upgraded some random package that, from their perspective, doesn't

Bug#746578: More systemd fallout :-/

2014-09-18 Thread Josh Triplett
sysvinit via init=/lib/sysvinit/init even with systemd-sysv installed. Michael Biebl is working on automatically adding a GRUB menu entry to boot sysvinit if present, which would make that even smoother. Hope that helps, Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org

Bug#746578: Reasons to keep systemd-sysv as the first alternative

2014-09-18 Thread Josh Triplett
tell Steve is not objecting to, but Ian is). On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:23:18 -0700 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:36:54AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:09:18 -0700 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: I conceptually dislike the user

Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems

2014-05-22 Thread Josh Triplett
intended as roughly delineated positions, not rigid ones.) - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140522170138.GA7063@jtriplet-mobl1

Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-14 Thread Josh Triplett
cases.) - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140214151322.GA20325@leaf

Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-14 Thread Josh Triplett
then allow for a more prolonged consideration of how to handle things post-jessie, as well as consideration of whether existing cooperative processes in Debian might be able to handle this isue given the time. Any particular reason *not* to do that?) - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Bug#727708: Call for votes on init system resolution

2014-02-07 Thread Josh Triplett
for virtual dependencies, before realizing that this is already permitted and the TC need only refrain from adding restrictions. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive

Bug#727708: Call for votes on init system resolution

2014-02-07 Thread Josh Triplett
to that language, might I suggest that there should be a version of the L rider that includes the sunset provision limiting it to jessie, since there is clearly support for such an option? - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe

Bug#727708: call for votes on default Linux init system for jessie

2014-02-05 Thread Josh Triplett
objection: optional is the same as least common denominator, in that it effectively prevents *relying* on that functionality, and thus forces the creation of a least-common-denominator fallback, which everything higher in the stack must then cope with.) - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Bug#727708: Depending on an init to be pid 1 == depending on a kernel to be running

2014-02-03 Thread Josh Triplett
(start the multi-release process to) augment dpkg to support special dependencies such as kernels and init systems, for instance. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive

Bug#727708: call for votes on default Linux init system for jessie

2014-02-01 Thread Josh Triplett
as stated in the bug log won't happen until the resolution of 727708. Meanwhile, installing either systemd-sysv or systemd-shim (or having systemd installed and booting with init=/bin/systemd) fixes the issue reported in 726763. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ

Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal

2014-02-01 Thread Josh Triplett
anything sysvinit lacks. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140201211229.GA13727@leaf

Re: Processed: block 726763 with 727708

2014-02-01 Thread Josh Triplett
very clear response, which I agree with wholeheartedly; thank you, Russ. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140201214218.GA13928@leaf

Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal

2014-02-01 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 01:21:19PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: It should be completely trivial to introduce a virtual org-freedesktop-login1 package (modulo any complexities introduced by interface versioning for new methods added

Re: Processed: block 726763 with 727708

2014-02-01 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 03:24:54PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 01:42:23PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: The block added above simply reflects the many comments from GNOME folks (and systemd folks for that matter) saying that they're waiting for the fallout to clear

Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal

2014-02-01 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 05:23:11PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Feb 01, 2014 at 01:12:34PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: In particular, in the case of GNOME, I don't see any package in the archive yet for a fork of logind that depends on systemd-shim instead of systemd, so there's

Bug#727708: Processed: block 726763 with 727708

2014-02-01 Thread Josh Triplett
looking to produce a non-trivial patch for a package might want to talk to the maintainer of that package to see what form of patch they would accept, which would be a far more effective means of avoiding wasted development effort. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-31 Thread Josh Triplett
Don Armstrong wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, Josh Triplett wrote: Ian Jackson wrote: Software outside of an init system's implementation may not require a specific init system to be pid 1, although degraded operation is tolerable. For instance, consider a gnome-session

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-30 Thread Josh Triplett
init systems, as long as the packages collectively meet the requirements of this section. [ For example, a package using systemd to launch a user session, provided as an alternative to a package that runs on sysvinit, need not itself run on sysvinit. ] - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Bug#728486: Draft of Resolution for 728486 (lvm/systemd compatibility)

2014-01-29 Thread Josh Triplett
such changes fully obsolete the patch in question, the patch may be dropped. Does that sound reasonable? - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org

Bug#727708: TC endorsement, political aspects

2014-01-20 Thread Josh Triplett
change to adopt what might be better alternatives). - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140120174045.GA5829@jtriplet-mobl1

Bug#728486: Current patch for resolving lvm/systemd compatibility

2014-01-19 Thread Josh Triplett
to handle dynamic hardware detection in any environment that lvmetad can handle (anything other than a multi-host cluster, as far as I can tell). - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-04 Thread Josh Triplett
. Josh Triplett writes (Re: Bug#727708: init system discussion status): Clint Adams wrote: As loath as I am to participate in this discussion, I have to ask if your intent is to suddenly outlaw all the packages which depend on runit. Thanks for your intervention which is helpful

Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-04 Thread Josh Triplett
= on the kernel command line, and allowing packages to use upstart for purposes other than running it as init (for instance, for graphical session startup). - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-04 Thread Josh Triplett
introducing a second process. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140105070553.GA15198@leaf

Re: Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-03 Thread Josh Triplett
). (Note that the latter would work better if upstart stopped conflicting with sysvinit, similar to how systemd can be installed without being init.) - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2014-01-01 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 08:09:56AM -0500, Chris Knadle wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 20:12:20 Josh Triplett wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 09:13:52PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: So unless the TC wants to remove a great number of packages from the archive

Re: Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2014-01-01 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 03:40:17PM -0500, Chris Knadle wrote: On Wednesday, January 01, 2014 08:47:13 Josh Triplett wrote: On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 08:09:56AM -0500, Chris Knadle wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 20:12:20 Josh Triplett wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Dec 31

Re: Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2014-01-01 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 09:37:24PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Josh Triplett writes (Re: Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion): On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 03:40:17PM -0500, Chris Knadle wrote: In other words, what you're saying is that not only [something about NetworkManager

Re: Bug#727708: init system thoughts

2013-12-31 Thread Josh Triplett
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:37:42PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 09:58:07PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: But in the real world, we have a lot of services that we just want to start in runlevel 2 and be able to trust that the network and disk are sorted

Bug#727708: systemd-shim uploaded to NEW

2013-12-31 Thread Josh Triplett
then, for instance, unblock systemd's ability to upgrade past version 204.) - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131231091630.GA23112@leaf

Re: Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2013-12-31 Thread Josh Triplett
to come by. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140101041218.GA5505@leaf

Re: Bug#727708: systemd-shim uploaded to NEW

2013-12-30 Thread Josh Triplett
as an early-warning system for any breakage that occurs in other packages when used without upstart, and I'll happily volunteer to help maintain the systemd packages on an ongoing basis if that would help. Thanks again for all your work on systemd. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Re: Bug#727708: init system thoughts

2013-12-30 Thread Josh Triplett
to *avoid* dependencies) and as a more natural mapping to how the system, kernel, and hardware work. I hope this writeup of my first impressions of both systems proves useful in some way. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2013-12-30 Thread Josh Triplett
to be available in Debian for folks who want to run the init system that continues to create functionality so useful that the proponents of upstart are willing to do a huge amount of work in order to adopt most of it other than the init system itself. - Josh Triplett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email