Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: That seems very unlikely to me. Diversity is an important part of Debian. I think it is likely that the TC is going to value the Debian Menu as long as Bill or someone else is going to work on it. I would expect us to value

Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus

2015-07-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote: Bill, in his role of policy editor said that he believed there was not a consensus. He cited a specific set of messages that he believes were not properly addressed. From the beginning, I have been puzzled by your approach to this

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-06-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
: not present the useless ones. Use NoDisplay=true everywhere appropriate. I don’t think presenting the whole contents of /usr/bin in a menu is helpful in any way to anyone. Cheers, -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ

Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems

2014-05-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
guess: because the Technical Committee is being treated as a personal playground by a couple developers. Maybe they should read the Constitution, especially §6.3.6. Ironically enough, this advice applies most to the person who originally wrote it. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette

Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal - Don't like software, don't use it. Absolutely.

2014-01-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
. -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1391157525.18551.921.camel@dsp0698014

Bug#727708: TC resolution revised draft

2014-01-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi Neil, Le vendredi 31 janvier 2014 à 11:55 +, Neil McGovern a écrit : On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:33:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Given the Condorcet voting method is susceptible to tactical voting, I'm not sure what you mean here, could you care to elaborate? Wikipedia has

Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal - Don't like software, don't use it. Absolutely.

2014-01-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 30 janvier 2014 à 21:38 +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit : [Lots of crap] Where is the list of problems for sysvinit we intend to solve? https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd#sysvinit_.2B-_insserv -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal

2014-01-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
. They are technically wrong, but they are realistic (basically it means using logind v204). But there are no realistic solutions for having GNOME support multiple init systems in jessie. Cheers, -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ

Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal

2014-01-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
it unsuitable for a new stable release that needs maintenance for several more years -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http

Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal

2014-01-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
My bad. I was under the impression you wanted a serious discussion. Sorry for contributing to the noise, everyone. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal

2014-01-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
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Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal

2014-01-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
majority according to Constitution §6.1.4. -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1390844134.18551.602.camel

Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal

2014-01-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 27 janvier 2014 à 17:48 +, Ian Jackson a écrit : Josselin Mouette writes (Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal): Since this resolution would override the will of each maintainer to make his package depend on whatever init system the software depends

Bug#727708: On diversity

2014-01-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
) any other option than those three would be implemented, making any decision stating otherwise untenable. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Bug#727708: On diversity

2014-01-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1389971621.21140.4.camel@tomoe

Bug#727708: Bits from linux.conf.au

2014-01-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
be fixed to have parallel boot, otherwise this is a big regression from the current insserv setup. If your real point is pick systemd *or* upstart and don't try to assert that we should support both, I can easily agree with that. Amen. -- .''`.Josselin Mouette

Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
ad-hoc replacements as desired by deployments. blah.service.in: ExecStart=@bindir@/blah --no-fork How complicated is that? -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
on systemd; expecting them to have the same functional coverage without it is simply insane. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http

Bug#727708: init system thoughts

2014-01-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
* Introspection and debugging * Configuration-less system * User sessions I’m curious as to what features you consider not relevant for Debian. Thanks, -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org

Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2014-01-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
to abide by your rules, and have a proposal for what to put in the Uploaders: field of the resulting packages. I am pretty sure the same holds for a systemd package that would be required to remain at version 204, stripped of stuff that doesn’t work with upstart. -- .''`.Josselin Mouette

Bug#727708: loose ends for init system decision

2014-01-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
and subject to the stability promise. The only other existing implementation (cgmanager) is merely wrapping in D-Bus the existing kernel API, which is going to die when a single writer becomes necessary. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ

Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2014-01-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
the “universal” operating system. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388708242.3098.93.camel@tomoyo

Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2013-12-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
unless the TC wants to remove a great number of packages from the archive, you need to take into account the fact that some voluntary manpower is required to implement your decision. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ

Bug#727708: upstart and upgrading from sysvinit scripts

2013-12-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 01 janvier 2014 à 01:54 -0008, cameron a écrit : On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: I am a bit confused here. You wrote in the upstart position statement, almost at the top: “Upstart supports both bus activation and socket activation.” I

Bug#727708: upstart and upgrading from sysvinit scripts

2013-12-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
of an incoming connection. This is described in more detailed in the “systemd for administrators” series: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/socket-activation2.html -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe

Bug#727708: systemd as cgroup writer

2013-12-21 Thread Josselin Mouette
/ Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1387628136.24917.40.camel@tomoyo

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
correct. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1387491979.21380.15.camel@tomoe

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-18 Thread Josselin Mouette
the situation after the release of jessie This option does not look realistic to me. At least the upstart proponents have outlined a strategy to keep software depending on systemd interfaces working in jessie. Cheers, -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-18 Thread Josselin Mouette
question again. -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1387378233.8542.141.camel@dsp0698014

Bug#727708: systemd jessie - jessie+1 upgrade problems

2013-12-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
. * Since kdbus is much faster, applications might start to rely on that and lose performance on systems without kdbus. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs

2013-12-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
are developing all components; * that develolpers have the same attention to code quality and security in all components they work on. I don’t think either of them applies to systemd. -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs

2013-12-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 02 décembre 2013 à 13:41 -0700, Bdale Garbee a écrit : Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: There are two implied assumptions here: * that the same people are developing all components; * that develolpers have the same attention to code quality

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs (was: init system question)

2013-11-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 29 novembre 2013 à 17:55 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit : Indeed, systemd has not been written with security in mind. Obviously, such a subjective judgment of valor does not mean the same to me as to other developers. It is easy to quote it out of context and say “oh, look! some

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs (was: init system question)

2013-11-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
to broken design. Cheers, -- .''`.Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1385744139.24216.1151.camel@dsp0698014

Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs (was: init system question)

2013-11-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 29 novembre 2013 à 17:11 +, Ian Jackson a écrit : Josselin Mouette writes (Bug#727708: systemd (security) bugs (was: init system question)): Personally, I find the flow of bugs (including security bugs) for moderately recent software the sign of a healthy project. A simple

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-11-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
for the systemd statement page. It is now mostly finished, including the rebuttals, and should only need new updates for spelling mistakes or minor inaccuracies. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Bug#727708: Init systems: arguments for the CTTE

2013-10-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
. Thanks for reading, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382953008.10661.63.camel@tomoyo

Re: [CTTE #688772] Dependency of meta-gnome on network-manager

2013-02-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
), the meta-gnome maintainers may freely adjust the dependencies as usual. Can we consider that the changes in NetworkManager 0.9.4.0-9 are OK on this matter? -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome

2012-10-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, Le jeudi 25 octobre 2012 à 00:13 +0200, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : On 13009 March 1977, Josselin Mouette wrote: In the current situation, I do not feel bound by any decisions the committee might make. You know, if it really comes to one more CTTE decision around NM and Gnome, which

Re: Problems emailing the pkg-gnome-maintainers list

2012-10-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
their intelligence. Thanks, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1351171030.3536.667.camel@pi0307572

Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome

2012-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
to replace reason by emotion. Reason has abandoned this discussion long ago. This has always been about people who don’t even use GNOME but who won’t accept the idea that we would install NM on other people’s computers. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome

2012-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
or be forced to do so. In the current situation, I do not feel bound by any decisions the committee might make. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome

2012-10-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1350071715.8217.4.camel@tomoe

Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome

2012-10-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 12 octobre 2012 à 21:07 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : For lack of a better synopsis, the argument there is because recommends do not behave properly across upgrades. And also, the purpose of metapackages is to ship dependencies. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette

Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome

2012-10-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
to reduce this number further. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1350073704.8217.12.camel@tomoe

Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome

2012-10-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi Don, Le vendredi 05 octobre 2012 à 11:36 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : On Thu, 27 Sep 2012, Josselin Mouette wrote: Recommends are not enough to ensure that packages are installed, especially upon upgrades. For example regarding NM, we definitely *want* people who upgrade from squeeze

Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome

2012-10-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 05 octobre 2012 à 16:46 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : On Sat, 06 Oct 2012, Josselin Mouette wrote: The code that makes it actually *work* without NM installed was added for kFreeBSD – incidentally, by the same NM maintainer whose work has been repeatedly thrown into mud

Re: Please do not unblock gnome-meta just yet

2012-09-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
, that would be a great achievement. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1348587405.30505.37.camel@pi0307572

Abusive and obnoxious behavior

2012-09-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
. I don’t think any of this is acceptable behavior for a DD in a position of responsibility. Therefore, Ian, I suggest that you resign from the Technical Committee. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Abusive and obnoxious behavior

2012-09-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 25 septembre 2012 à 19:28 +0200, Andreas Barth a écrit : * Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) [120925 18:37]: I’ve just read Ian Jackson’s latest proposal: [...] If you mean by your subject that the words This should be in compliance with the Crusade. in a changelog and changes

Bug#681687: missing mime entry

2012-07-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1343306381.3540.98.camel@pi0307572

Bug#681687: Bug#658139: Bug#681687: Bug#658139: missing mime entry

2012-07-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
. Furthermore, it only happens with the XDG system outside GNOME/KDE, not with the old MIME system, since gimp doesn’t ship a legacy MIME file. I’d appreciate if the release team and CTTE could avoid basing their decisions upon such misinformed claims. Thanks, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette

Re: Bug#587956: netbase: Does not cleanup bindv6only upon upgrades

2010-07-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
reopen 587956 reassign 587956 tech-ctte thanks Le samedi 03 juillet 2010 à 19:15 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit : On Jul 03, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: You wanted it to behave in a buggy way, then. That doesn???t make it less a bug. I stand by my position. If you still disagree

Bug#573745: python maintainance: next steps

2010-06-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
myself. That would be fair. And that would ensure that people would try to think up new solutions out of the box, instead of re-hashing arguments from the past. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you eat pasta without sauce, it is nothing `- short of communism

Bug#573745: python maintainance: next steps

2010-05-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
transition is going to delay the squeeze freeze date. Anyone has some pop-corn? -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte

Bug#573745: python maintainance: next steps

2010-05-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
veto power? If Matthias can refuse someone to be part of the core team because he doesn’t trust that person, that’s a veto power. Cheers, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you

Bug#402793: tech-ctte: gst-ffmpeg links with its own private ffmpeg copy

2006-12-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
, and it turned out soon that we would not come to an agreement on this matter. Which is why I'm forwarding this issue to the Technical Committee. Regards, -- Josselin Mouette/\./\ Do you have any more insane proposals for me? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject