Bug#975075: tech-ctte: non-systemd dependencies in non-NM packages

2021-01-11 Thread Mark Hindley
Simon, On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 08:03:18PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > I wouldn't want to give a ruling that would be interpreted as precedent to > (effectively) overrule multiple maintainer decisions (whether they're > decisions by a single maintainer in multiple packages, or multiple >

Bug#975075: tech-ctte: Should maintainers be able to block init compatibility changes?

2020-12-23 Thread Mark Hindley
Elana, Thanks for passing this on. On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 03:36:45PM -0800, Elana Hashman wrote: > Less than 1% of users are installing sysvinit-core, with a steady > downward trend.[1] I accept that the number of users is small, although the figures referenced omit users of openrc and runit.

Bug#975075: tech-ctte: Should maintainers be able to block init compatibility changes?

2020-12-15 Thread Mark Hindley
Sean and Simon, On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 01:17:30PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > > In the cases where the regression was accidental, ideally, the answer > > would be someone calmly and politely offering a tested patch, but it > > sadly seems equally likely to result in hostility, and I think it's

Bug#975075: tech-ctte: Should maintainers be able to block init compatibility changes?

2020-12-15 Thread Mark Hindley
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 09:51:56AM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 22:56:57 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > > Could I just check if there's a point of common acceptability which both > > sides of this discussion could live with? > > > > libpam-systemd |

Bug#975075: tech-ctte: Should maintainers be able to block init compatibility changes?

2020-12-01 Thread Mark Hindley
Josh, On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 04:24:28PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > If (hypothetically) network-manager upstream > decided to remove those legacy fallbacks, the maintainer would then be > in a position of either: But that is not what this particular discussion is about. Personally, I have no

Bug#975075: tech-ctte: Should maintainers be able to block init compatibility changes?

2020-11-30 Thread Mark Hindley
Simon, Thanks for your clear and insightful comments. On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:58:15PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 17:33:26 +, Matthew Vernon wrote: > > #921012 is about changing network-manager to Depend upon "default-logind | > > logind" rather than