Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-19 Thread Keith Packard
Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes: ​The tech ctte could've addressed this issue by providing policy guidance or by just offering advice, and assuming that the systemd maintainers would act on th​e advice or policy in good faith. Choosing to override the systemd maintainers was far from

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-18 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: The policy shouldn't make it possible for a CTTE member to file a proposal. Or, if that does happen, it should force that member(s) to recluse themselves from voting on it. -- -- Matthias Urlichs signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-18 Thread Noel Torres
On Tuesday, 18 de November de 2014 15:01:42 Matthias Urlichs escribió: Hi, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: The policy shouldn't make it possible for a CTTE member to file a proposal. Or, if that does happen, it should force that member(s) to recluse themselves from voting on it. From my

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, I think that everyone will agree that we are having a big crisis about the role of the TC in Debian. What saddens me deeply is how some of us framed this as a Debian vs the Technical Committee fight. The Technical Committee _is_ Debian. If we feel it's malfunctionning, it's our problem as

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:58:41AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : Specifically, I would like to ask Debian Developers to contribute (positively) to TC discussions when relevant, in order to help the TC get a complete understanding of the issues, their consequences, and possible resolutions

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 11/16/2014 10:28 PM, Josh Triplett wrote: In the absence of that, it seems quite understandable to interpret this as yet another attempt by the TC to undermine systemd. It's nothing but that exactly that, not more, not less. The decision which init system Debian would use was already made

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread Sam Hartman
Charles == Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Charles Le Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:58:41AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a Charles écrit : Specifically, I would like to ask Debian Developers to contribute (positively) to TC discussions when relevant, in order to help the

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-16 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 04:16:28PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: 5. We therefore overrule the decision of the maintainer of libpam-systemd binary package. The Depends entry systemd-sysv | systemd-shim (= 8-2) should be replaced by systemd-shim (= 8-2) | systemd-sysv A

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 04:52:37PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 04:16:28PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: 5. We therefore overrule the decision of the maintainer of libpam-systemd binary package. The Depends entry systemd-sysv | systemd-shim (= 8-2)

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-16 Thread Josh Triplett
Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 04:52:37PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 04:16:28PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: 5. We therefore overrule the decision of the maintainer of libpam-systemd binary package. The Depends entry

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On 17 November 2014 05:37, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 04:52:37PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: A decision which lead to another great Debian Developer leave the ship! Great Work! This demonization of the Technical Committee for doing their

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-16 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Anthony Towns On 17 November 2014 05:37, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: [...]   I hope that he doesn't actually view this TC override as an attack on the systemd maintainers.  ​... this is the TC providing technical guidance when asked to do so; and if the TC