Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Aleksander Morgado writes ("Re: Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports"): > Ian, any comment about this 1.8-rc1 version with the filter policies > implemented? Thanks for the ping. I haven't had a chance to test it, but if it behaves as descri

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

>> Also, is there any new maintainer I should talk to regarding >> integration tasks for this new version? > > I've been in touch with Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre (Cc:ed) and he's still > happy to act as maintainer. He's currently not a DD/DM so needs > sponsorship for his packages, but that should

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Aleksander Morgado wrote: >>> >>> As soon as we get this merged to git master, I can tag a 1.8 beta >>> release (e.g. 1.7.990). What do you think? >>> >> >> FYI, 1.8-rc1 has been tagged with the optional filter policy support >> included: >>

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

>> >> As soon as we get this merged to git master, I can tag a 1.8 beta >> release (e.g. 1.7.990). What do you think? >> > > FYI, 1.8-rc1 has been tagged with the optional filter policy support included: > https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/modemmanager-devel/2018-January/006157.html > > By

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

> > As soon as we get this merged to git master, I can tag a 1.8 beta > release (e.g. 1.7.990). What do you think? > FYI, 1.8-rc1 has been tagged with the optional filter policy support included: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/modemmanager-devel/2018-January/006157.html By default it

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports"): > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 09:18:37PM +0200, Aleksander Morgado wrote: > > How about waiting a bit until patches reviewed and tested upstream? > > The whole point of

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 09:18:37PM +0200, Aleksander Morgado wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Ian Jackson > > I will do that upload: to DELAYED, picking some suitably cautious > > version number, unless I hear to the contrary. (And I'll wait at > > least a week for a reply to this

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > Aleksander Morgado writes ("Re: Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before > messing with serial ports"): >> FYI, already implemented an initial approach, ready for testing: >

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Aleksander Morgado writes ("Re: Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports"): > FYI, already implemented an initial approach, ready for testing: > https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/modemmanager-devel/2017-October/005969.html > > In the Debia

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

FYI, already implemented an initial approach, ready for testing: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/modemmanager-devel/2017-October/005969.html In the Debian case, you would want to use "--filter-policy=STRICT" when starting ModemManager. -- Aleksander https://aleksander.es

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Aleksander Morgado <aleksan...@aleksander.es> writes: > Hey Ian, > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Ian Jackson > <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: >> Aleksander Morgado writes ("Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before >> mess

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Hey Ian, On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > Aleksander Morgado writes ("Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before > messing with serial ports"): >> This is part of the discussion we had in the MM mailing list for

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Aleksander Morgado writes ("Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports"): > This is part of the discussion we had in the MM mailing list for such > a solution: > https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/modemmanager-devel/2017-September/005917.html

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Aleksander Morgado writes: I'm no longer a TC member, but have been bitten by this problem, so will chime in. > Would the new approach satisfy Debian's needs? It seems so to me. The key thing I care about is that we *not* assume any arbitrary cdc-acm device is a

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

> "Aleksander" == Aleksander Morgado writes: >> In going forward, I think it is important to consider that >> Modemmanager's needs and Debian's needs may be different here. >> In the case of Modemmanager as an upstream project, it may be >> desirable

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

> > What I'd love to see is a patch that makes modemmanger behave better for > our users while remaining installed and operational. If it's useful > enough, it should be acceptable upstream as Debian is not the only > community affected by this particular problem. > This is part of the discussion

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Hey Sam, > It looks like there hasn't been much traffic on this issue in the last > couple of weeks. > Well, I moved the discussion to the ModemManager mailing list and it's already been discussed there among MM developers. > My analysis is that the key technical point here is whether it's >

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Sam Hartman writes: > Have I got that right? Yes, I think you have summarized the issue accurately. > However, for Debian and for the Technical committee, we need to consider > what experience we want to give all our users and as a result value > damage caused by false

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Hi. It looks like there hasn't been much traffic on this issue in the last couple of weeks. My analysis is that the key technical point here is whether it's acceptable to treat unknown devices as possible modems. It sounds like: 1) We don't have a good white list of modems. 2) We don't have

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

> > However, I have to say that that upstream bug log does not really > suggest to me that upstream thinks that the current probing behaviour > is unacceptable. It has been open since 2014 and if the bug is to be > believed the modemmanager default behaviour in upstream has not > changed. > We

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Aleksander Morgado writes ("Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports"): > [Ian Jackson:] > > Many such modems present as USB serial devices, eg ttyACM or ttyUSB. > > Consequently, modemmanager has the ability to open serial ports

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Aleksander Morgado writes ("Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports"): > Hey Ian! > > Since the maintainers and upstream evidently disagree with this > > tradeoff, it has been necessary for me to ask the TC to step in. > > The maintaine

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

> Many such modems present as USB serial devices, eg ttyACM or ttyUSB. > Consequently, modemmanager has the ability to open serial ports and > probe them to see if they respond to Hayes-style AT commands. That > functionality is currently triggered automatically by default, even > for USB serial

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Hey Ian! > Since the maintainers and upstream evidently disagree with this > tradeoff, it has been necessary for me to ask the TC to step in. > The maintainers don't actually disagree. Why didn't you bring this issue to the ModemManager mailing list in the first place? I personally don't

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Ian Jackson writes: > This has gone far enough. I would like to remind you of Constitution > 6.3(5) Here's what I prefaced my first remark with: (speaking as a Debian user, not as a TC member) Perhaps I should have added this to each message I sent? --

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Keith Packard writes ("Re: Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports"): > Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: > > This has gone far enough. I would like to remind you of Constitution > > 6.3(5) > > H

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Keith Packard writes ("Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports"): > That requires fixing the package instead of just getting it out of the > way, a significantly harder thing to manage. This has gone far enough. I would like to remind you of Co

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Ian Jackson writes: > But I should be able to use the same laptop to (1) control my machine > tools or talk to my rpi or whatever (2) go online with a usb mobile > modem when I'm out of the house. Possibly even simultaneously. That requires fixing the package

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Keith Packard writes ("Re: Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports"): > Yeah, I was just thinking that it would be easier to stop installing > support for modems by default than to actually fix modemmanager to > behave itself. It's certainly how I

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Ian Jackson writes: > Also, AIUI modemmanager contains code to do things with the new-style > MBIM dongles (which can also be done with the cli tools in > mbim-utils). But I definitely wouldn't suggest disabling its ability > to work with AT-command modems, as

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 02:13:50PM -0700, Keith Packard wrote: > Ian Jackson writes: > > (speaking as a Debian user, not as a TC member) > > > I'm afraid don't really want to do the work of writing a better UI. > > But I have provided a simple patch which at

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Ansgar Burchardt writes ("Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports"): > It's not useless. At least not when using UMTS via USB dongles which I > would guess more people use than ham radio. (Some of these USB dongles > also emulate network cards

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

"Keith Packard" writes: > Ian Jackson writes: > > (speaking as a Debian user, not as a TC member) > >> I'm afraid don't really want to do the work of writing a better UI. >> But I have provided a simple patch which at least makes the behaviour >> safe. > > Would

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Ian Jackson writes: (speaking as a Debian user, not as a TC member) > I'm afraid don't really want to do the work of writing a better UI. > But I have provided a simple patch which at least makes the behaviour > safe. Would it be sufficient to simply stop

Bug#877024: modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports

Package: tech-ctte Control: block 683839 by -1 modemmanager is a program for handling modems, particularly usb-connected mobile-telephony modems (aka "3G/4G sticks" etc.) Many such modems present as USB serial devices, eg ttyACM or ttyUSB. Consequently, modemmanager has the ability to open