Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes (Bug#741573: Two menu systems): The 'trad' menu file or the 'desktop' xdg file are only the starting point of their technical differences; one other technical difference that matters is the support for icon formats. You have missed my key point about differences

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-04-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 9 avril 2014, 12.21:28 Ian Jackson a écrit : You have missed my key point about differences of goals between the two menu systems. The trad menu explicitly has the goal of providing a menu item for every invokable thing; whereas the desktop menu maintainers want it to provide

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-04-09 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-04-09 15:13 GMT+02:00 Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org: Le mercredi, 9 avril 2014, 12.21:28 Ian Jackson a écrit : You have missed my key point about differences of goals between the two menu systems. The trad menu explicitly has the goal of providing a menu item for every invokable

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes (Bug#741573: Two menu systems): Le mercredi, 9 avril 2014, 12.21:28 Ian Jackson a écrit : This means that we need two systems. I don't think I missed the point; I was bringing a orthogonal one. I understand you think the 'trad' menu is a useful metadata

Bug#741573: On menu systems. [and 1 more messages]

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthias Klumpp writes (Bug#741573: Two menu systems): Regarding metadata, this is something other sources (e.g. DEP-11) can provide in a much better and less redundant way. What would be interesting to know is: Why would I want to launch non-GUI applications from a menu? Usually people

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthias Klumpp writes (Bug#741573: Two menu systems): Also think about HIDPI-screens in particular, where these small icons don't make sense at all (in fact, they are so small that you often can't even tell what they display). In situations like this, presumably the icons would need to be

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-04-09 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Wednesday 09 April 2014 15:04:36 Ian Jackson wrote: Matthias Klumpp writes (Bug#741573: Two menu systems): Also think about HIDPI-screens in particular, where these small icons don't make sense at all (in fact, they are so small that you often can't even tell what they display). In

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes (Bug#741573: Two menu systems): Le mercredi, 9 avril 2014, 15.00:44 Ian Jackson a écrit : Right. I understand that some people don't think the comprehensive menu is useful. However, there are a lot of things in Debian that some people think aren't useful. The

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes (Bug#741573: Two menu systems): So, I'd like to request the TC to first consider whether a consensus was reached in the process and if so whether there's a compelling reason not to respect that consensus. If no consensus was reached or the TC finds it has a compelling